What would be your ideal BRZ STI?

[WhiteGDB]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Well I think the implication was obvious enough Heck you said 30k originally but now it's 30-31k so obviously one doesn't always type exactly what they meant.

No, it has always been 30-31k. Go back and read. And later on I conceded to him and ask if a 6-7k premium would be better.

Not to start another debate, but what parts besides the BBS wheels would you think be too costly? I even left off brembos to keep cost down.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

With D4S I still stand by a 2.2L 240hp or a 2.4L 260hp is possible. Now 260hp would be completely the high end of the power range, but I still think it would be possible. Sure 230-240hp would be nice and maybe more realistic. But this thread is about your "ideal BRZ STI."

2.2L with 240 I completely agree with. Past that and the money required for parts vs the cost of the vehicle at sale makes it a really tough business decision, one that I don't think would happen.

I definately agree that all of it is possible, just unrealistic for Subaru to release a 2.2 260HP engine (and IMO that's possible as well, 2.0L 240HP has been done, so 2.2L 260HP is definately possible) and all of those other parts at the originally requested price of 30k. That's what this discussion has been about.

edit: was wrong about the 2.4l part not being original to the request. Fixed post.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

No, it has always been 30-31k. Go back and read. And later on I conceded to him and ask if a 6-7k premium would be better.

Not to start another debate, but what parts besides the BBS wheels would you think be too costly? I even left off brembos to keep cost down.

Hmmm ok.

Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

-30K price tag and ~3mpg less than standard BRZ

Bottom line, ~2650lbs, 240-260hp, 30k, 27mpg

Yep, I went back and reread it again. Still says 30k. Twice even.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

2.2L with 240 I completely agree with. Past that and the money required for parts vs the cost of the vehicle at sale makes it a really tough business decision, one that I don't think would happen.

I definately agree that all of it is possible, just unrealistic for Subaru to release a 2.2 260HP engine (and IMO that's possible as well, 2.0L 240HP has been done, so 2.2L 260HP is definately possible) and all of those other parts at the originally requested price of 30k. That's what this discussion has been about.

edit: was wrong about the 2.4l part not being original to the request. Fixed post.

I would agree that a 2.2L would be more realistic, but like I said my ideal would be 2.4L if I got to dream up whatever I wanted. This thread is all speculation anyways, but as well make it interesting.

[WhiteGDB]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Hmmm ok.



Yep, I went back and reread it again. Still says 30k. Twice even.

You didn't read the whole thing because I suggested a 1k premium for a track model and you missed the part about the 2.2 - 2.4 liter with 240-260 hp so 2.4 was always part of the discussion. Unless you want to pull a fatoni and take my lowest displacement(2.2) and pair it to the highest HP(260).

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

You didn't read the whole thing because I suggested a 1k premium for a track model and you missed the part about the 2.2 - 2.4 liter with 240-260 hp so 2.4 was always part of the discussion. Unless you want to pull a fatoni and take my lowest displacement(2.2) and pair it to the highest HP(260).

The 1k extra for the different model is meaningless because the engine didn't change. So in fact, they'd have to provide that engine and other parts for the 30k you specified. That is the fact as you wrote it.

Also, I updated my post stating that I missed the 2.4 well before you replied.

2.2L with 260 is far more desirable to me than the 2.4L version would be.

I'm not argueing that it's impossible to create that engine, in fact if you read my posts you'll clearly see that I said it was, and that I want it to be a 2.0 with 240HP (also obviously possible).

I just don't fool myself into thinking it would be in a car that costs 30k with all the other things you mentioned (excluding the second special model)

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

You didn't read the whole thing because I suggested a 1k premium for a track model and you missed the part about the 2.2 - 2.4 liter with 240-260 hp so 2.4 was always part of the discussion. Unless you want to pull a fatoni and take my lowest displacement(2.2) and pair it to the highest HP(260).

the thing about that is your track model doesnt have anything to do with the specifications i see an issue with.

look, i dont object to want. i just dont think it can be had for the amount of money you are saying. if you wanted a turbocharged 240 or even 260 hp i can see that but to make that kind of power without it would require some serious engineering and with a car that is going to be limited in production, the price of that engineering is going to be significant.

if i came off as a ****, which im sure i did, im sorry

[koyv90]

300 hp, coilovers with adj dampening. All i could care for.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the thing about that is your track model doesnt have anything to do with the specifications i see an issue with.

look, i dont object to want. i just dont think it can be had for the amount of money you are saying. if you wanted a turbocharged 240 or even 260 hp i can see that but to make that kind of power without it would require some serious engineering and with a car that is going to be limited in production, the price of that engineering is going to be significant.

if i came off as a ****, which im sure i did, im sorry

Production is limited? Uhm.....when did this happen? Last I checked, that can of BS was already crushed.

[Eldorian]

Those of you asking for an increase in displacement know that they'd have to increase bore, because there is no way to fit a longer stroke between the wheels? Other subies already have oversquare engines already.

[LionZoo]

I just want something as light as possible while still retaining AC. If they can get the curb weight below 2600 pounds, I'd be willing to pay more than $30k. I don't care for an increase in power or anything else, though I wouldn't mind some fixed aluminum calipers.



I'm sure they'll sell about 30 of those...



(I'm willing to pay even more if they're able to reduce weight more.)

[Z_Rocks]

I'll wait to see What the next STI offers. Or if the BRZ gets turbo with 300hp.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Production is limited? Uhm.....when did this happen? Last I checked, that can of BS was already crushed.

He's talking about the "STI" and/or "STI Track version", not the regular BRZ.

[pez]

Not sure if this has been posted before, so sorry if it has. I thought some of you might like. I can't wait for a BRZ, STi or not.

^^^ I don't know how to throw up vid's on this forum...