BRZ coming to Gran Turismo (GT5) on the 25th!

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

I feel the opposite. 86/FR-S turns in better to me. Understeer more in the BRZ. This is factory vs factory no tweaking aside from oil changes. When you lift off the throttle on the FR-S/86, you can get the cars rear end to rotate around.

That's what I meant by more stable. The FR-S is more responsive on initial turn in but it's a little less stable because of it.

[dsgerbc]

All three feel exactly the same to me. Make sure they are broken in and don't have any aero installed before comparing.

UPD: did a test: bought all three again, no oil change or anything, equal PP and HP. Went into my online lounge (so that miles stay at zero and don't mess up the PP) and ran half a dozen laps around Suzuka East with tire/fuel consumption off. Best laps are within a few _hundreds_ of a second and the feel is exactly the same. So, BRZ/FRS/GT86 in this game are just different visual skins on the same physical car model.

[PMok]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

omg should i pay 99 cents for this car?...i mean i got the FRS and the 86 for free...

it's only a buck! people buy $1 and $3 apps like it's nothing. you could skip a soda or coffee one day and you've saved enough to buy the BRZ. Do it!

caveat: ok you have to put $5 min in the wallet to buy it, which is kind of lame. but I got both the BRZ and Weider HSV racecar. Skipped the GT-R because I have plenty of those already that I don't drive.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

All three feel exactly the same to me. Make sure they are broken in and don't have any aero installed before comparing.

UPD: did a test: bought all three again, no oil change or anything, equal PP and HP. Went into my online lounge (so that miles stay at zero and don't mess up the PP) and ran half a dozen laps around Suzuka East with tire/fuel consumption off. Best laps are within a few _hundreds_ of a second and the feel is exactly the same. So, BRZ/FRS/GT86 in this game are just different visual skins on the same physical car model.

Really? I did the same thing (bought all 3 with 0 miles no oil change/mods/all traction nannies off) and ran a few laps around Laguna Seca with each. All 3 were within 0.5s of each other with the FR-S being the slowest and 86 being 0.1s slower than the BRZ. I can get the FR-S to a faster time closer to the BRZ/86 if I concentrate more on not letting the tail slip because it does want to lose traction thru corners more. The BRZ doesn't turn in as much as much as I'd like sometimes yet puts power down better as its tires squeal the least through turns (which might explain its faster time). The 86 holds the middle ground turning in well and loses traction easier than the BRZ but feels a touch more composed than the FR-S.

The 86 is the most comfortable to drive fast among the trio. FR-S requires more attention. BRZ feels (sometimes in a bothersome way) numb and its engine sounds more muffled, oddly. Relative to other cars in the game, yes, the trio feels virtually identical. But compared to each other, the differences are subtle but there.

I've also been using the 86 and FR-S in the seasonal drift events that come up every month. Gave them the exact same maxed out tuning mods/tires and that's where their differences became very apparent/obvious... the FR-S doesn't transition into a drift as smoothly as the 86! The FR-S goes into snap oversteer quicker which I guess is good since you get sideways sooner for more points but frustrating to get the hang of.

[ajay]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Really? I did the same thing (bought all 3 with 0 miles no oil change/mods/all traction nannies off) and ran a few laps around Laguna Seca with each. All 3 were within 0.5s of each other with the FR-S being the slowest and 86 being 0.1s slower than the BRZ. I can get the FR-S to a faster time closer to the BRZ/86 if I concentrate more on not letting the tail slip because it does want to lose traction thru corners more. The BRZ doesn't turn in as much as much as I'd like sometimes yet puts power down better as its tires squeal the least through turns (which might explain its faster time). The 86 holds the middle ground turning in well and loses traction easier than the BRZ but feels a touch more composed than the FR-S.

This is bang on with the actual review I wrote of the track comparison between both cars. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16871

I downloaded the BRZ yesterday but only managed to respray it SPW and run 3 laps at TGTT. I've setup a race with a few friends on Sunday night with all 3 cars being allowed. Most of then race in real life, so it should be fun.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Really? I did the same thing (bought all 3 with 0 miles no oil change/mods/all traction nannies off) and ran a few laps around Laguna Seca with each. All 3 were within 0.5s of each other

Really. Half a second lap difference would've been a large difference that I would've tried to attribute to the car, 3-4 hundreds - no so much.

I might try a different track tonight, but I'm not expecting any difference.
Try doing 'blind' tests and see if you can tell the difference when you don't know what car you picked. Also, try driving with a bumper cam, LHD/RHD cars can subjectively feel different from the cockpit view.

Originally Posted by ajay

This is bang on with the actual review I wrote of the track comparison between both cars.

Yeah, if only BRZ/GT86/FR-S had different suspension settings in the game, which they don't. So any handling difference, if there was any, would be another fail for GT5 publisher.

Like I said, they all feel the same to me, corner speeds are the same, turn-in points are the same. They are hard to drive around anything with angry curbs or elevation changes, due to rear spring in GT5 being @2kgs. So once it compresses - you're sliding.

The only difference I can spot - for some reason BRZ sounds different.

[PMok]

are you guys doing your tests using a wheel or the DS3 controller? that could make a big difference as well. I drive with a Logitech DFP wheel and pedals, and from my limited testing of all 3 back to back I feel like they handle the same. BRZ motor sounds a little deeper for some reason, and maybe it's the sound and placebo effect that results in different lap times... or you are getting more familiar with the car and track with each lap and so you may improve with the last car tested.

And maybe it's my driving style, but to me all 3 cars feel like they mostly understeer, and I actually have a hard time getting the rear wheels to break loose by giving it gas mid-apex... only on really tight turns do I get squirmy on exit. I found I kind of have to throw the car into a turn in order to get the car a little upset before I can initiate oversteer. Did all my testing on Comfort Soft tires to be consistent.

[switchlanez]

I kept the stock tires (Sports Hard I think) using DS3 with steering sensitivity set to max (7 I think). I always use the bumper cam and mixed up my driving order to verify tiny differences. Drove the BRZ first, then 86 to compare with BRZ and noticed it turned easier, then FR-S to compare with 86, then 86 again to confirm it felt more stable than the FR-S, then BRZ to confirm its understeer tendency. I wouldn't pay attention to my difference in track times (I don't run perfect laps and can always improve lol) as much as differences in feel.

And yes, all 3 do understeer more than I'd like. I can break the rear loose with throttle/brake manipulation on all, BRZ being the most difficult and FR-S the easiest.

Perhaps my dialing the steering sensitivy to max made the tiny differences among the trio more apparent.

I noticed differences between the 86 and FR-S once the FR-S came out. A few weeks/months later I read the FR-S is tuned differently compared to its JDM 86 counterpart in the suspension forum which sort of confirmed what I had observed in GT5 (so no placebo effect there). As for the BRZ, the difference is instantly noticeable with my controller setup.

[dsgerbc]

Wheel here. No sure what 'feel' one can be taking about when driving with DS3.
All three cars are idential in my book, sans the look.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

That's what I meant by more stable. The FR-S is more responsive on initial turn in but it's a little less stable because of it.

I don't see it as instability. I like that the rear in will rotate more. It's predictable. Being predictable does not equate to being less stable imo..

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

I don't see it as instability. I like that the rear in will rotate more. It's predictable. Being predictable does not equate to being less stable imo..

Fair enough. I just know that in some high speed left right chicanes, it was a little harder to control. It felt like it wasn't finished rotating when I wanted it to turn the other way again. Whereas with the BRZ I was always able to easily and cleanly snake through them. But yes, in some cases, maybe most cases I would still probably prefer the quicker turn in of the 86/FR-S.

[SPEEDGOD]

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[GirlyScions]

I cant seem to get more than 380 Hp. I cant even turbo it.
Just started playing GT5 and Im a level 12. Will I eventually be able to get more power and turbo?

Looks like I should have gotten Forza 4. Whats the max power in that game and can you go turbo?

[PMok]

I don't think so. I'm at level 26 and you can't add turbo or SC to the BRZ. Guess it's NA mods only.