2015 Ford Mustang / Shelby GT350 Official - 5.2L FPC with 500+hp/400+ lb-ft

[zooki]

This is why I like having my old '90 GT, and my FR-S. Sometimes I feel like using a scalpel, and sometimes I just feel like swinging a battle axe...

[P@ul]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

A Coyote is the same length and 2 inches shorter than an LSx. It is, however, 3 inches wider.

I can't find any good dimensions on an LSx, one picture had the same height but it was with the truck oil pan. There's a winged oil pan that comes on the Corvette engine, and it was 10 inches shorter in height. You also have to remember, LSx has a liter or more extra in displacement.

The Alpha platform is much smaller than the Zeta platform. The Camaro is, underneath, a G8 Coupe. The next generation Camaro is going to be probably a hair bigger than an ATS Coupe. I imagine, with the car physically shrinking a bit, the weight will remain the same.

An ATS Sedan, v6 performance package with AWD, is 3693 lb curb (3530 lb rwd). SS Camaro is coming in at 3935 lb. I think they can cut 100-200 lbs.

[Ec1990]

Originally Posted by P@ul

I can't find any good dimensions on an LSx, one picture had the same height but it was with the truck oil pan. There's a winged oil pan that comes on the Corvette engine, and it was 10 inches shorter in height. You also have to remember, LSx has a liter or more extra in displacement.



An ATS Sedan, v6 performance package with AWD, is 3693 lb curb (3530 lb rwd). SS Camaro is coming in at 3935 lb. I think they can cut 100-200 lbs.

I'd be surprised if the Camaro was heavier based on that right above. Not to mention it's not like they're starting design on the Camaro now, it's been spotted in Germany near the Ring already in camo. Being revealed in January in Detroit I believe.

I'd expect 3500-3600 pounds. My Camaro SS weighed 3880, options dependent though.

[Noble713]

Originally Posted by steelertown

I was just adding that review because it touched on some things a few reviews didnt. I thought the OPS reviews were fairly positive all considering. The new mustang has been excessively hyped. Nothing hyped this much lives up to the buzz.

The irony of an 86 forumite calling another car overhyped. LoL.


I'm still amazed at how fat and heavy modern cars have become. I'll stick with my <3,300lb, ~15-year old SEDANS, over a 3,800lb 2+2 COUPE almost any day (exceptions made for exotics like the R35 GT-R).

Originally Posted by calmtigers

Also are there any well known car reviewers videos on this stang yet? I've been looking around on youtube and haven't found any.. (car&track, /drive, etc etc)

Jonathan Ramsey @ Autoblog?
[ame]http://youtu.be/rTJPX4zcYKQ[/ame]


I wonder how much disappointment in the new Mustang stems from the surprise awesomeness of the new Corvette? In other words, we saw a US automaker knock it out of the park, improving both performance and amenities to the point even European journos are finally acknowledging how great the car is. Then Ford comes out with it's supposedly much-revised and improved "world market" Mustang and.........it's kinda "meh".

That said, I really like the interior.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

A Coyote is the same length and 2 inches shorter than an LSx. It is, however, 3 inches wider.

I'm seeing bigger height and width dimensions for the Coyote vs. LS3.


(LS3 on top)




LS3: 27.5" long (including flywheel), 23.62" wide, 25.25" tall
Coyote: 24.62" long (not including flywheel), 29.05" wide, 28.9" tall (includes engine cover)

Like vs. like (without flywheels, without engine covers), looks like the Coyote is about in inch shorter in length, 4.4" wider, an inch or so taller (engine cover doesn't look to add more than a couple of inches over the top of the intake plenum).

So the 5.0 is nearly 25% wider than the LS3. But length/width/height doesn't tell the whole story. For sure the Coyote occupies a lot more of its LxWxH box volume than the LS3 does.

The Alpha platform is much smaller than the Zeta platform. The Camaro is, underneath, a G8 Coupe. The next generation Camaro is going to be probably a hair bigger than an ATS Coupe. I imagine, with the car physically shrinking a bit, the weight will remain the same.

Yeah, that sounds about right (though IMO it *should* be smaller than the ATS). I didn't mean to suggest that the next Camaro will be bigger and heavier than the current gen, only that the new Mustang being so big and heavy will influence the direction of the next Camaro in a bigger/heavier direction. I.e., it will end up bigger and heavier than it would have been if the new Mustang had been significantly smaller and lighter-weight.

[tahdizzle]

All I read was blah blah blah, I'm gonna buy an ATS-V

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Noble713

I'm still amazed at how fat and heavy modern cars have become. I'll stick with my <3,300lb, ~15-year old SEDANS, over a 3,800lb 2+2 COUPE almost any day

Ditto. I'd much rather have an E36 M3 sedan with a supercharger (or LS3 swap!) than any of these massively oversized and overweight 2+2 "coupes"!

[Noble713]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Ditto. I'd much rather have an E36 M3 sedan with a supercharger (or LS3 swap!) than any of these massively oversized and overweight 2+2 "coupes"!

Funny you mention the E36. I've given serious thought to an E36 LS Swap as my next project (maybe several years down the line). Reasonably-clean E36's can be found for dirt cheap here, the only problem is the lack of swap kits for RHD versions, and the cost/difficulty of sourcing the engine/trans. I believe the JZX100 Chaser and the E36 are the two sexiest sedans ever made (and very similar in appearance).

If I had the time/money I'd visit the States solely to hit up some junkyards and collect enough LS engines to fill a 20-foot container. By far the cheapest (per unit) way to get some decent V8's here.

Should also give me enough engines to experiment with LS-swapping a Toyota Mark X or a Lexus IS. Both are bulletproof and lightweight RWD Toyota sedans hobbled with weaksauce V6 powerplants. The real trick there is developing a new ECU to interface with all the Toyota electronics.

I should start a Kickstarter, maybe somebody is willing to fund my mad-scientist sedan tuning dreams.

[fatalelement]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Ditto. I'd much rather have an E36 M3 sedan with a supercharger (or LS3 swap!) than any of these massively oversized and overweight 2+2 "coupes"!

I love the 2+2 in something that large.... Like I understand why the 86 is a 2+2 because lets face it it's basically a 2. But anything moderately bigger doesn't really have an excuse for not adding maybe 3-6 inches of legroom, acting like they're some tiny Elise or something lol

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[Allch Chcar]

The most common E36 is 3100lbs, which is too much for a 90's car in my humble opinion. You have to find the 318ti to get one under 2800lbs, but then the blocks are cast iron so they don't gain as much weight with an LSJuan. The Renesis is an overweight piece of crap in my opinion. The Mazda RX8 is the one time I seriously considered getting into this LS swap stuff. It's a great chassis but with a subpar "unique" engine.

Anyway, back on topic. I had a beater Foxbody for a very brief time and it was still too heavy and flexible for how small it was. Most of that extra length over a smaller 2+2 is given to the engine bay. Now, I have horrible taste in vehicle styles, I'll admit that anytime, but I just can't get over the new/old styling. It's not aerodynamic nor is it nostalgic to me. The 2.3L ecoboost might be as brilliant as the 2.0L and 1.6L but I'm not touching the new Mustangs anymore than I would walk onto a BMW dealership and rub my greasy fingers on a new 1 series. That's just my humble opinion.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by ZDan

LS3: 27.5" long (including flywheel), 23.62" wide, 25.25" tall
Coyote: 24.62" long (not including flywheel), 29.05" wide, 28.9" tall (includes engine cover)

Like vs. like (without flywheels, without engine covers), looks like the Coyote is about in inch shorter in length, 4.4" wider, an inch or so taller (engine cover doesn't look to add more than a couple of inches over the top of the intake plenum).

So the 5.0 is nearly 25% wider than the LS3. But length/width/height doesn't tell the whole story. For sure the Coyote occupies a lot more of its LxWxH box volume than the LS3 does.

Anyone thinking a DOHC V8 is going to be smaller than a pushrod V8 of similar displacement is mental. Length difference is clearly the difference in displacement (smaller bore = shorter length block)


Also keep ion mind in the pictures the LS3 is only the long block without exhaust or accessories, so it's going to appear to not take up as much room in the "box" as the coyote.


Also, 3800lbs is light in todays standards. Keep in mind a MKIII Supra is over 3800lbs (MKIV trimmed weight, but not a ton).

[VacantSky]

not sure if this has been posted but, this is what ford added to the cabin on the eco boost.

[ame]http://youtu.be/_Kpq9rxDyPA[/ame]

worse than a sound tube IMO...

[Cades]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGe7Q4p5Fk4"]ecoboost stock vs natural - YouTube[/ame]

and there is an actual comparison.

[FRSRAVEN]

Definitely rounds out the bottom end a bit more. I see why they felt it was necessary. It doesn't seem to have the awesome induction noise that the Focus ST has...which is rather strange as its a similar motor.

But its a mustang...V8 or chicks car.