2022 Nissan Z Coupe

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

Yeah exactly! Pretty sad.



At least I know flat out that I wouldn't ever be in the Supra :P the Z isn't out yet so we don't know

Lol yeah the Supra lost me at fake door intakes. Outside of that, I MIGHT have considered it.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Whether they are or not is a moot point. People will cross shop regardless. What I'm saying is Toyota could be in trouble if they don't change or at least adjust the formula to better adjust to the competition.

The Supra has one of the best automatic transmissions available. It has adaptive suspension, an active diff, an engine that can hold a bunch of power, easily and cheaply modifiable, capable of running in the 9’s with $5k in modz, etc. The car is built to BMW standards, it has a suite of other features, etc.

Outside of the lack of manual, the Supra is well equipped and proven. At this point, the Z isn’t released, nor is it proven, so if anything it is the Z that either needs to adjust themselves up, or they will slot themselves below the Supra with the other pony cars and keep the car minimally spec’d.

It is possible they will meet the features of the Supra but at a cheaper price, but I doubt they can afford that or pull it off.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

If the new Z is indeed coming in at mid 30's, the new eight six is gonna need a nagasaki noizy boi.

There is a $10k price gap, which is a lot for many buyers. It is one of the reasons why the STI doesn’t steal all the buyers from the WRX or the GT Mustang doesn’t over the Ecoboost.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

There is a $10k price gap, which is a lot for many buyers. It is one of the reasons why the STI doesn’t steal all the buyers from the WRX or the GT Mustang doesn’t over the Ecoboost.

I never saw a single 86 on a lot for less than $29k. If the new Z comes in at $35k only the most desperate cash strapped buyers or die hard toyota fan bois aren't going to figure out a way to cough up the extra cash.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the new 86/BRZ gets a price bump anyway since it seems like all new models are trending upwards when a new generation is released.

[RToyo86]

I can't see it being less than 40k. 45k being more realistic. Isn't the old 350 going on 37k or so when inflation is accounted for?

[RToyo86]

Also

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

Also

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

As I said in Random but just to catch the thread up, needs a new hood similar to the legacy Zs, then I would agree with you. It would break it up and allow for potential mods under the hood.

i can't help but wonder how this new z looks with black widebody fenders...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

I never saw a single 86 on a lot for less than $29k. If the new Z comes in at $35k only the most desperate cash strapped buyers or die hard toyota fan bois aren't going to figure out a way to cough up the extra cash.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the new 86/BRZ gets a price bump anyway since it seems like all new models are trending upwards when a new generation is released.

I’m just going off base specs for each model. If a dealer only buys Limited’s with Performance Packs then that is on them. The Z is no exception. I’ve seen plenty of models that are base at MSRP. We are talking retail too, right, not out the door price?

Originally Posted by RToyo86

I can't see it being less than 40k. 45k being more realistic. Isn't the old 350 going on 37k or so when inflation is accounted for?

Why? A base Infiniti Q50 starts in the low to mid $30k’s with the same engine. A Camaro SS and Mustang GT start in the mid $30k’s. What are they going to add to increase the base price by $9k?

The 350Z in 2003 was competing with the 4.6L Terminator Mustang, which the 350Z had 287hp/274tq, and the Mustang had 270hp/302tq. If you want to talk about inflation then you need to consider performance inflation, and what is the new standard. The current pony cars are pushing mid 400hp’s at mid $30k’s. The Z can have less power with being lighter and more finesse from the turbo engine having more potential, but it is ridiculous jumping the price to $40-45k without also increasing the base features or quality.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The Supra has one of the best automatic transmissions available. It has adaptive suspension, an active diff, an engine that can hold a bunch of power, easily and cheaply modifiable, capable of running in the 9’s with $5k in modz, etc. The car is built to BMW standards, it has a suite of other features, etc.

Outside of the lack of manual, the Supra is well equipped and proven. At this point, the Z isn’t released, nor is it proven, so if anything it is the Z that either needs to adjust themselves up, or they will slot themselves below the Supra with the other pony cars and keep the car minimally spec’d.

It is possible they will meet the features of the Supra but at a cheaper price, but I doubt they can afford that or pull it off.

Best automatic in a sports car; that's awesome . I'm aware of the features on the Zupra. Yes, but how long will it run? BMW standards, that's what scares me. This coming for someone who has owned an E89, E85, E60, and F10.

All it has proven is with mods it can go faster, as with most BMWs. The real test is durability. I'm not saying Nissan is any better. We sh'all see. According to polls and reactions across all online platforms I don't think the Z has anything to worry about. Can't say the same for the BimYota.

You're right, probably not. But if your guesstimation is right, sign me and a number of people here up.

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’m just going off base specs for each model. If a dealer only buys Limited’s with Performance Packs then that is on them. The Z is no exception. I’ve seen plenty of models that are base at MSRP. We are talking retail too, right, not out the door price?



Why? A base Infiniti Q50 starts in the low to mid $30k’s with the same engine. A Camaro SS and Mustang GT start in the mid $30k’s. What are they going to add to increase the base price by $9k?

The 350Z in 2003 was competing with the 4.6L Terminator Mustang, which the 350Z had 287hp/274tq, and the Mustang had 270hp/302tq. If you want to talk about inflation then you need to consider performance inflation, and what is the new standard. The current pony cars are pushing mid 400hp’s at mid $30k’s. The Z can have less power with being lighter and more finesse from the turbo engine having more potential, but it is ridiculous jumping the price to $40-45k without also increasing the base features or quality.

How many 400z do you think they are projecting to sell?
The trends show 350/370 sells well for 2-3 years then sharply falls off as they push out the same car.

Mustangs at least have the advantage of selling 70+k models a year to spread out profits at a lower cost.
Not saying they couldn't sell at a lower cost. I would just be surprised to see one >40k.

I also had to do some quick math in my head as I was initially using CAD for my projections. 4 cylinder supra start at $56k and $68k for 6 cylinder for reference. Our dollar sucks.

[gymratter]

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...e-z-proto.103/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Best automatic in a sports car; that's awesome . I'm aware of the features on the Zupra. Yes, but how long will it run? BMW standards, that's what scares me. This coming for someone who has owned an E89, E85, E60, and F10.

All it has proven is with mods it can go faster, as with most BMWs. The real test is durability. I'm not saying Nissan is any better. We sh'all see. According to polls and reactions across all online platforms I don't think the Z has anything to worry about. Can't say the same for the BimYota.

You're right, probably not. But if your guesstimation is right, sign me and a number of people here up.

I get it. Practically all my cars were manual, and it is the chief reason why I wouldn't buy the Supra, but there is the reality that automatics have taken over all cars and that is equally true with sports cars. The number of cars in the six or seven figures with a manual transmission can be counted on one hand, so when I say the ZF8 is one of the best automatic transmissions on the market, and it may be the best automatic transmission that isn't a dual clutch, that is saying a lot. With 200ms or less shift times, it is impressive. The fact that the 2.0T Supra can get to 60 in 5 seconds is in large part due to the transmission.

The B58 is a solid engine too. Closed deck. Torsional rigidity or something is suppose to be equal or stronger than the 2JZ even though it is aluminum. We will have to see down the road, but I am not aware of major problems that aren't remedied with regular maintenance any different or more frequently that other cars. Even Toyota signed off on the engine. Isn't that saying something?

[vh_supra26]

Sounds like some changes will be made up front.

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...n-z-proto.100/

Nissan 400Z design locked in

Whether you love it or hate it, the new Nissan Z Proto design is essentially what you’ll see when the production car – the long-anticipated Nissan 400Z sports car – arrives in Australia late next year.

The Nissan Z Proto is not a concept to gauge public response to the design; that much was confirmed by Nissan’s global CEO Makoto Uchida during the vehicle’s premiere in Japan this week.

“The Z Proto you see here is not a concept. The look of this is close to final, and the vehicle has been engineered for aerodynamics and body rigidity,” he said.

Nissan’s chief designer Alfonso Albaisa added: “What you see basically has gone through the [research and development] process and it’s something that we love and we feel is right and now the engineers are going to [adjust] very small things.”

The small changes expected to be made include modifications like side gills or bonnet vents to improve thermal dynamics in the engine bay, for example.

As Albaisa explained, Nissan’s engineering team will now “own” the vehicle, making only minor modifications to the design as required to balance the twin-turbo V6 powertrain and chassis.

“We often discuss this ‘passing the baton’ to our engineers, because the engineers now own it and are finishing and fine-tuning and doing all of these things,” he said.

In a regional interview with the automotive media from his home base in Yokohama, Japan, the Nissan design chief detailed how the early-1970s Datsun/Nissan 240Z and late-1980s Nissan 300ZX influenced various design elements on the all-new Z, while the more modern 350Z/370Z donated their square grille.

The public response to the Nissan Z Proto design has been mixed.

The car’s profile has been generally praised but there have been vitriolic comments lobbed at the square grille, which some have argued looks incongruous against a backdrop of retro styling.

However, the sheer number of views on websites and social media the new Nissan Z Proto is generating globally suggests there is massive interest in the car, which when it launches as the 400Z next year is expected to outpower its main rival, the Toyota Supra, and also undercut it on price.

The current Nissan 370Z is priced at $50,490 plus on-road costs, but given the new 400Z is packing a rocket launcher not a ‘pea-shooter’ anymore – in the form of a twin-turbo V6 engine – the new model is likely to cost around $70,000.

Nissan’s design boss said it was clear from the start that the next-generation Z35-series sports car had to be more powerful, and although he wouldn’t be drawn on engine specifics and power levels, he implied the powertrain has been locked in as well.

“Right away when we created our concepts we knew what we wanted to do – and engineers, they did what they do and put things together,” he said.

“And it’s best probably not to talk about drivetrains – they won’t even let us tell you how many litres are in this twin-turbo!

“So I can’t talk about any other kind of things, or you’d see a big hook and I’d get dragged right off camera,” he laughed.

“The selection of the name Proto is important. It’s not really a concept car, this is a vehicle we’ve been developing with our engineers – the chassis, the structure, all these things.

“The paint is more than dry,” he said.