2016 No Nav? Should I wait or get a 2015 - Page 4 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Speed2th · 09-22-2015, 08:12 PM

i wonder if 2016 stereo would sounds better than 2015?

kberkel · 09-22-2015, 08:15 PM

I use the nav almost every day.

Works great IMO.

Dorb · 09-22-2015, 08:29 PM

Just tried to build one, and it does not show any upgrades under package. That is strange. Maybe how they dropped the price.

why? · 09-22-2015, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorb

Just tried to build one, and it does not show any upgrades under package. That is strange. Maybe how they dropped the price.

They dropped the price because of no nav. There have been numerous articles written about it.

BRZnut · 09-22-2015, 09:46 PM

Too bad..I like the navigation in my '13 BRZ. Guess that makes the original '13-'15s that much more valuable!

funwheeldrive · 09-22-2015, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZnut

Too bad..I like the navigation in my '13 BRZ. Guess that makes the original '13-'15s that much more valuable!

No backup camera though, which is probably more useful in the long run.

Goldensun89 · 09-22-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Unnone

Yeah I figured I'd end up putting an aftermarket with an android link in it to do google maps at some point anyway. I knew the 2016 would be better but my phone still does it best...

This would be your best bet, Pioneer and multiple others offer both android auto and carplay on the same device. Hopefully in the near future both will come preinstalled from the factory to compliment Subarus own software.

Si_Chris · 09-23-2015, 10:11 AM

I have been contemplating ordering a 2016 model year because they dropped the navigation offering. I like the other new features the Starlink head unit offers but why would they drop the navigation? It makes no sense. At least make it an up-gradable option. I would be more than willing to pay for that upgrade.

I was thinking of finding a 2015 model year since navigation is standard. However, I have watched some videos on YouTube on how laggy and inaccurate the Subaru OEM navigation is in the 2013-2015 head units.

The other option would be to buy a Garmin or Tom Tom and use that for navigation but I hate the clutter of navigation and phone mounts since they obstruct vision. Not to mention dismounting them when parking for long periods (to prevent people from being inclined to break into your car and steal items).

When you see other car manufacturers starting to offer Apple and Android car play as options, sometimes standard from the factory (like the upcoming 2016 Civic) with more options for apps and excellent navigation, it kinda turns me off right now on buying a 2016 BRZ due to what is being offered. I hope Subaru makes some changes and offers the larger Starlink head unit with navigation as an option in the future for the 2016 model year BRZ.

kch · 09-23-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Si_Chris

When you see other car manufacturers starting to offer Apple and Android car play as options, sometimes standard from the factory (like the upcoming 2016 Civic) with more options for apps and excellent navigation, it kinda turns me off right now on buying a 2016 BRZ due to what is being offered.

You could always buy a 2016, sell the headunit to someone with a 2013-15 who doesn't want nav, and then get a Pioneer HU with android auto/carplay. Easy peasy.

Si_Chris · 09-23-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kch

You could always buy a 2016, sell the headunit to someone with a 2013-15 who doesn't want nav, and then get a Pioneer HU with android auto/carplay. Easy peasy.

Yes, that is an option. But I also want SiriusXM. With aftermarket head units and experience installing them in my current car, you need to purchase an additional SiriusXM tuner. Same deal with navigation, at least for Pioneer head units, you need to buy an additional GPS "brain" that is several hundred dollars, and I believe you can only buy it from Pioneer for it to work with Pioneer head units. Not to mention, there is also the hassle of running wires and tapping for power supply for these extra add on modules, it just gets messy when you go to install all these extra things behind the dash and have a rats nest.

Don't get me wrong, I love aftermarket units and have been installing them for years in my cars, especially Pioneer electronics. But being this might be a "brand new" car for me, I don't want to mess with anything aftermarket being installed, especially electronics that might void my warranty if any issues that involve electronics come up.

And, I definitely would not let a car audio shop do the install, too many horror stories of gouged interior panels, amateur unsafe wiring, and unnecessary holes being drilled here and there.

kch · 09-23-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Si_Chris

Same deal with navigation, at least for Pioneer head units, you need to buy an additional GPS "brain" that is several hundred dollars, and I believe you can only buy it from Pioneer for it to work with Pioneer head units.

Thanks for the input. I'm less than experienced in the world of car audio. But re: nav, isn't that what android auto is for? That way you don't need the HU to have GPS.

Si_Chris · 09-23-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kch

Thanks for the input. I'm less than experienced in the world of car audio. But re: nav, isn't that what android auto is for? That way you don't need the HU to have GPS.

Yes, you're right. If the aftermarket head unit has Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, there is no need for a GPS "brain" (this wasn't the case for Pioneer head units pre-2014). However, I think you still need the SiriusXM tuner if you want to have satellite radio.

I know Pioneer had (pre-2014), and currently has "AppRadio" which was before Android Auto came out, for most of their head units. However, AppRadio only allows certain iPhones and Android phones to work with the head unit to do a similar function that Apple CarPlay and Android Auto now does.

Pioneer recently released new head units this year that now have Android Auto and AppleCar Play (mainly their "NEX" head units), but these cost $700+. I guess you have to pay to play.

https://www.android.com/auto/

http://www.pioneer-carglobal.com/en/AndroidAuto/

jawn · 09-23-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Si_Chris

Pioneer recently released new head units this year that now have Android Auto and AppleCar Play (mainly their "NEX" head units), but these cost $700+. I guess you have to pay to play.

Yeah, they're spendy, but considering that the Harmon Kardon Nav package for a comparable model like a WRX, is $2100, it's not that bad.

Tofu-86 · 09-23-2015, 04:18 PM

Nav is something you either use it a lot or not. Also, if all the stories have told us anything is that these dealership don't know much about our car, and they will do anything to sell a car.

I've personally seen a brz sitting in the dealership with AWD sticker on it.

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09-22-2015, 08:15 PM	#44
kberkel Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Farmington Hills, MI Posts: 581 Thanks: 32 Thanked 326 Times in 174 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I use the nav almost every day. Works great IMO.

09-22-2015, 08:29 PM	#45
Dorb Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 16 LM STI/13 LM BRZ/04 AVALANCHE Location: Ohio,Dayton area... Posts: 318 Thanks: 196 Thanked 89 Times in 53 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just tried to build one, and it does not show any upgrades under package. That is strange. Maybe how they dropped the price.

09-22-2015, 09:46 PM	#47
BRZnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: BRZ DGM Limited Location: USA Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 5 Thanked 431 Times in 250 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Too bad..I like the navigation in my '13 BRZ. Guess that makes the original '13-'15s that much more valuable!

09-23-2015, 10:11 AM	#50
Si_Chris Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2016 ISM BRZ Limited, 2000 Civic SI Location: CT, USA Posts: 236 Thanks: 2 Thanked 92 Times in 60 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have been contemplating ordering a 2016 model year because they dropped the navigation offering. I like the other new features the Starlink head unit offers but why would they drop the navigation? It makes no sense. At least make it an up-gradable option. I would be more than willing to pay for that upgrade. I was thinking of finding a 2015 model year since navigation is standard. However, I have watched some videos on YouTube on how laggy and inaccurate the Subaru OEM navigation is in the 2013-2015 head units. The other option would be to buy a Garmin or Tom Tom and use that for navigation but I hate the clutter of navigation and phone mounts since they obstruct vision. Not to mention dismounting them when parking for long periods (to prevent people from being inclined to break into your car and steal items). When you see other car manufacturers starting to offer Apple and Android car play as options, sometimes standard from the factory (like the upcoming 2016 Civic) with more options for apps and excellent navigation, it kinda turns me off right now on buying a 2016 BRZ due to what is being offered. I hope Subaru makes some changes and offers the larger Starlink head unit with navigation as an option in the future for the 2016 model year BRZ.

09-23-2015, 04:18 PM	#56
Tofu-86 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2015 WRB BRZ Limited Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 18 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nav is something you either use it a lot or not. Also, if all the stories have told us anything is that these dealership don't know much about our car, and they will do anything to sell a car. I've personally seen a brz sitting in the dealership with AWD sticker on it.

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