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blu_ · 03-29-2012, 03:41 PM

Yeah im actually on a diet for this car... There I said it... I could stand to lose 15lbs.

OrbitalEllipses · 03-29-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blu_

Yeah im actually on a diet for this car... There I said it... I could stand to lose 15lbs.

I could lose about 5-10lbs, in fat. Then gain back about 20 in muscle. Net weight +10lbs, lol!

hanabie · 03-29-2012, 03:47 PM

They have amazing clean workshop! I can sleep on that floor!

old greg · 03-29-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

the most supportive, heavily bolstered seats of any Subaru I can ever remember.

How do they compare, width-wise, with the 02-03 WRX seats?

86'd · 03-29-2012, 03:51 PM

Great review.

I'm actually selling my MCS-A (is my wife's) and I never really cared for it.

It handled awesome, and was pretty quick for city traffic, and was nice and small. But the ride was really rough the powerband was too "truck-like" and I just never fell in love with it.

So it's nice to hear the differences and how much more the BRZ is MY kind of car.

Plus I've followed (lurked on the WRX/STI forums) about RCE's springs and how they seem to be purposefully made for actual performance and not (just) looks. So it looks as though I'll get some through RCE, when the time comes.

Grimlock · 03-29-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Maybe removing audio/speakers, rear seats, manual booklet (1lb), and going to the gym might help too

I autocross my Miata pantsless to save on weight. I think having legit weights for the car is great! Marketing tends to do weird things with the weights advertised.

OrbitalEllipses · 03-29-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimlock

I autocross my Miata pantsless to save on weight. I think having legit weights for the car is great! Marketing tends to do weird things with the weights advertised.

I would think their advertised weight is high enough such that nearly all, if not all, delivered cars wouldn't weigh more.

Grimlock · 03-29-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blu_

You should be able to save 2-3lbs a corner with lighter forged 17x9's... So it would depend on the added tire weight..

It looks like the stock tires weigh 20lbs each, and 245 wide RS3s weigh 25lbs (RE-11's and Star Specs are 26 lbs). So subtracting 8lbs for wheels and adding 24lbs for tires leaves us with a net gain of 16 lbs of rotating mass.

Turbowned · 03-29-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimlock

It looks like the stock tires weigh 20lbs each, and 245 wide RS3s weigh 25lbs (RE-11's and Star Specs are 26 lbs). So subtracting 8lbs for wheels and adding 24lbs for tires leaves us with a net gain of 16 lbs of rotating mass.

Acceptable loss for having considerably more grip.... I'm surprised R-S3's weigh less than the more expensive competition... LOL Hankook FTW!

Subaruwrxfan · 03-29-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Honestly driving cars bigger than an 05 MCS feels a little weird to me. BRZ felt about perfect. Very nimble feeling with the sense that you can kinda point and shoot where you want to go in traffic, similar to my car. I live in the city so my car works well for that kinda thing and I expect the same from the BRZ.

Awesome, that's exciting to hear. Thanks!

Draco-REX · 03-29-2012, 04:39 PM

The stock rims are 9.1kg or roughly 20lbs.

kyolml · 03-29-2012, 04:43 PM

It's a good review as far as putting emotion connections and all the comparisons to WRX/STI, but I feel it's a bit over hyped for the purpose for marketing of this car. We all know it's a good car due to its physics, but saying it's "just turn" and "no under steering" is just not concrete to me. Better than a lotus Elise in turn-in? Better feel than S2000? Can you give me some comparison?

Also, I don't agree to the point as not slow-in-fast-out and how to drive a kart. It's still slow-in-fast out for karting, not fast-in-slow-out. If it's related to how to settle a front end heavy car and wait for the moment past apex to hit the gas, then I get your point.

Racecomp Engineering · 03-29-2012, 04:58 PM

I think he meant fast-in, faster-out.

Myles is pretty fast in a kart and beats "smaller" people with kart skills pretty regularly.

A lot of the comparisons he did were with respect to Subarus and EVOs since that's been our focus for a while but he has a lot of experience as an instructor in a lot of other cars too.

- Andrew

Draco-REX · 03-29-2012, 05:10 PM

I keep wavering between being conservative with the suspension mods (just springs and 225s) or sharpening the BRZ to a point with a more extensive setup like the STI.... Hmm.

I also wonder how many of the GroupN bushings will fit on the BRZ...

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03-29-2012, 03:41 PM	#43
blu_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ LTD Location: Portland, OR Posts: 889 Thanks: 637 Thanked 170 Times in 106 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah im actually on a diet for this car... There I said it... I could stand to lose 15lbs.

03-29-2012, 03:47 PM	#45
hanabie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: WRB LMTD '13 Location: Phillips Ranch Posts: 1,246 Thanks: 184 Thanked 242 Times in 158 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	They have amazing clean workshop! I can sleep on that floor!

03-29-2012, 03:51 PM	#47
86'd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2012 WRX Sedan Location: Los Angeles Posts: 511 Thanks: 25 Thanked 97 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Great review. I'm actually selling my MCS-A (is my wife's) and I never really cared for it. It handled awesome, and was pretty quick for city traffic, and was nice and small. But the ride was really rough the powerband was too "truck-like" and I just never fell in love with it. So it's nice to hear the differences and how much more the BRZ is MY kind of car. Plus I've followed (lurked on the WRX/STI forums) about RCE's springs and how they seem to be purposefully made for actual performance and not (just) looks. So it looks as though I'll get some through RCE, when the time comes.

03-29-2012, 04:39 PM	#53
Draco-REX Corner Junkie Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 13 BRZ, 11 STI, 99 RS Location: Ohio Posts: 2,908 Thanks: 129 Thanked 1,521 Times in 702 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The stock rims are 9.1kg or roughly 20lbs.

03-29-2012, 04:43 PM	#54
kyolml Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: STI 2008, M3 Location: San Bruno Posts: 55 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's a good review as far as putting emotion connections and all the comparisons to WRX/STI, but I feel it's a bit over hyped for the purpose for marketing of this car. We all know it's a good car due to its physics, but saying it's "just turn" and "no under steering" is just not concrete to me. Better than a lotus Elise in turn-in? Better feel than S2000? Can you give me some comparison? Also, I don't agree to the point as not slow-in-fast-out and how to drive a kart. It's still slow-in-fast out for karting, not fast-in-slow-out. If it's related to how to settle a front end heavy car and wait for the moment past apex to hit the gas, then I get your point.

03-29-2012, 04:58 PM	#55
Racecomp Engineering Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2016 BRZ, 2012 Paris Di2 & 2018 STI Location: Severn, MD Posts: 5,520 Thanks: 3,542 Thanked 7,415 Times in 3,033 Posts Mentioned: 311 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	I think he meant fast-in, faster-out. Myles is pretty fast in a kart and beats "smaller" people with kart skills pretty regularly. A lot of the comparisons he did were with respect to Subarus and EVOs since that's been our focus for a while but he has a lot of experience as an instructor in a lot of other cars too. - Andrew

03-29-2012, 05:10 PM	#56
Draco-REX Corner Junkie Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 13 BRZ, 11 STI, 99 RS Location: Ohio Posts: 2,908 Thanks: 129 Thanked 1,521 Times in 702 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I keep wavering between being conservative with the suspension mods (just springs and 225s) or sharpening the BRZ to a point with a more extensive setup like the STI.... Hmm. I also wonder how many of the GroupN bushings will fit on the BRZ...

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