DIY 2014 Navigation unit **FULLY working 6/19** Pandora/Weather/Traffic/ETC...

[jacobzking]

Originally Posted by E46toFT86

I assume I won't run into any compatibility issues with my OEM Audio plus system in my FRS? I would imagine not considering the Oem + upgrades are completely plug and play with the Oem head unit ( non bespoke). Correct me if I'm wrong

plug and play, lol through a strange set of events and double ordering some crap, I have a spare setup for sale. i'm asking a VERY fair price ($1200 total) for EVERYTHING needed to do the swap. will post in classified now.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by BOYCE

... should have checked your system. I also want to upgrade to something with navigation capabilities. How'd you like it so far? Also, how much did you get it for if you dont mind me asking...

We didn't have the new HU at 86EXPO; it came into our dealer as we were driving up to Vegas. We only have the base unit (no nav module), which cost $520 at Ventura Toyota. We really do like the 2014 unit, which has about the same capability, but much better ergonomics, and I'm happier than pure logic can justify to be rid of the dysfunctional Bespoke foofaw.

[encity5]

I enjoy the new features, but am I alone in thinking the style/design of it is really uninspiring and boring?

As much as I don't like the bespoke HU, I thought it looked great

[Calavera]

Fudge it, I just ordered PT54600140 touchscreen radio. Makes no sense that this would double in price but taking no chances. Now to wait for the bespoke module (I still have nightwares about Entune on the last two Camrys that I drove).

[jacobzking]

Originally Posted by Calavera

Fudge it, I just ordered PT54600140 touchscreen radio. Makes no sense that this would double in price but taking no chances. Now to wait for the bespoke module (I still have nightwares about Entune on the last two Camrys that I drove).

i like the entune stuff! a little slow, and mostly stuff i can just do on the iphone even easier, but i still like having it there

[Overland'n'5thGEN]

I am on board with this but am very confused with the part numbers and what I need.

I want to have a GPS nav in the car. What part numbers do I need to order? Headunit, GPS antenna, bracket?

Someone help a fella out. I would go order this weekend if I new what to order.

sent from a Galaxy SIII...

[Calavera]

Originally Posted by jacobzking

i like the entune stuff! a little slow, and mostly stuff i can just do on the iphone even easier, but i still like having it there

I think my entune problem was due to the iPhone 4 and its slow speeds. Bespoke owners seem to complains about the same since it only supports iPhone 4/4s.

[Mandy]

Originally Posted by jacobzking

NAV UNIT pt296-47121 $590
just enables Nav and nothing else that I'm aware of, PRIUS V module. this model has been tested and DOES work in FRS.
-or
NAV UNIT pt296-47130 $900 ***the one I ordered***
enables Nav AND ENTUNE (pandora, bing, moviefone, weather, traffic, open table, stocks, etc...) this is the newer toyota 4Runner model. this model has been tested and DOES work in FRS, just unsure about Apps, etc.
-or
NAV UNIT pt296-00140 $900?
enables Nav and BeSpoke. this is the "correct" part for our cars, but if the EnTune apps will work on our cars, I'd much rather have that over the BeSpoke crap.
so I ordered the EnTune kit which comes with the harness that connects to the head unit, the nav module and an additional "bluetooth" cable.

We'll call them #1, #2, and #3, respectively.

If I'm understanding this correctly, #1 is what comes with the 2014 Scions and is plug and play. Pretty much just does navigation and music/phone calls.

#2 is the premium audio that goes in pretty much every other Toyota; however, App functionality is in question

#3 is what would come with the 2014 FRS and has navigation as well; however, it also includes apps through Aha.

Am I correct here; is their something I'm missing? If so, it seems like Entune would arguably be the best option provided the apps have full functionality, which is still not confirmed?

If I can get this information I'll be calling my parts department today (ironically I was there just yesterday.

Edit: did some research via GooglePlay:

Entune: RATED 2.7/5

Entune® is a revolutionary in-car multimedia experience that keeps you and your 2012 or newer Toyota connnected.
Entune® is a collection of popular mobile applications and data services integrated with select 2012 or newer Toyota vehicles. Entune includes three years of complimentary access to apps and services. (After three years, access charges will apply; excluding Pandora®) Once the phone is connected to the vehicle using Bluetooth® wireless technology, Entune's features are operated using the vehicle's controls or, for some services, by voice recognition. Entune's apps include Bing™, iHeartRadio, MovieTickets.com, OpenTable®, and Pandora®. Entune's data services include fuel guide, sports scores, stocks, traffic and weather. Entune Prius Plug-in Hybrid Advanced model and RAV4 EV Applications include Charge Management, Remote Climate, and Vehicle Finder. Please go to Toyota.com/entune for details and applicable phones.

Thoughts A lot of users note it not working properly with their phones since the last update, hence such a low rating for the app. Not sure if Entune is phone dependent or not, but that would mean it's essentially the same as BeSpoke regardless. Here is a sample review:

Toyota makes great cars, but it fails utterly in the electronics side. Since I took my 2012 Camry in for its 5k checkup, the eTune has been a disaster. Before the upgrade, the Bluetooth connection was reliable. Not any more. It intermittently drops out, and what's worse, it won't reconnect. However, it will connect with the iPod Touch. Go figure. In addition, the GPS is a joke. I'm used to the Garmin, which I gave away when I got the new car. What a mistake. I drove the Camry to Las Vegas and back to Oakland, roughly an 1100-mile trip. The in-dash GPS failed and re-set itself five different times. I complained to the service person about this at the checkup. "We could not replicate it." Of course not. It is intermittent. This is enough of a disappointment to drive me to another make of car when my lease is up.

BeSpoke (With Aha) RATED 3.6/5

Aha organizes your favorite Internet content into personalized, live, and on-demand radio stations, making it safe and easy to instantly access your favorite stuff on the go, all from a single dashboard. With choices that span Internet radio, podcasts, music, traffic, audiobooks, Facebook, Twitter, and more (all as presets) your favorite audio is never more than a button press away.
• Instantly access the latest news, sports, talk, and entertainment podcasts (no sync required)
• Select from thousands of radio stations from the US and around the world
• Access your favorite Slacker personalized music stations (N. America only)
• Listen to your Facebook newsfeed, as well as Tweets from people you follow and Twitter lists
• Stuck in traffic? Listen to a real-time, personalized, audio traffic station (N. America only)
• Hear local restaurant and other search results filtered based on your preferences 
All within a single interface that provides one-touch access regardless of content type
• New content and stations added all the time
• Connect to compatible in-dash systems* and control Aha directly from your car stereo.
Choose from a virtually endless set of options, and let Aha manage the content for you in the cloud. Aha remembers where you left off, and can pick right back up the next time, even if you are bouncing between multiple episodes of the same podcast.
* Compatible with Pioneer AVIC-Z140BH, AVIC-X940BT, and Kenwood DNX9990HD. Connect your Android or iOS device and control Aha like it's built in to your car stereo! Additional compatible aftermarket and factory car stereos will begin rolling out soon.
To review any platform or device specific issues, please visit - http://aharadio.com/help/issues.html

Thoughts This is looking to fix a lot of the initial issues that the initial BeSpoke by Zephyr failed on. Decent reviews, but it seems to drain phone battery rather quickly and stay running in the background on Android devices. Furthermore there are some complaints of the app crashing.

From the reviews alone, it seems like the BeSpoke may actually be the superior system. Provided the Bluetooth connectivity isn't an issue, perhaps it's actually the better option. I'll continue gathering information so we can all make an educated guess.

Again, providing that the initial head unit is identical to the BeSpoke one with the exception of not having Aha integration, and sharing a similar interface to the old BeSpoke, and the current Entune, I think you're best off with the base system for streaming audio and navigation. The only reason I even went with BeSpoke initially was that I wanted navigation, not the bastardized version of it provided by Zephyr. If you do want all the nice features listed, it seems like the new BeSpoke system will be nicely functioned, whereas Entune seems to be having some connection problems with Android phones (seems to be horribly reviewed through iTunes as well). Whereas, again, Aha has 4-star reviews on iTunes, again, more connectivity complaints:

Purchased a 2013 Avalon Limited in march 2013. I love everything about this car EXCEPT Entune! As others mentioned, requiring physical teathering is strike 1. Pandora has yet to work since I bought the car. I gave up and just run the app on my phone and stream via Bluetooth.... Strike 2. The entune app update came out today claiming to fix the issues. I eagerly updated and just went to the car to try pandora.... Strike 3!!! I'm sorry but to roll out this system which is flawed across all toyota models with no fix in sight is bad enough but when you are purchasing a car that has a sticker price of $40k plus there is no excuse for that. Very disappointed in toyotas lack of attention to detail with this... Especially when there is page after page of complaints!

So in good conscience I can recommend the following:

Your best bet if you want something better than the FR-S stock radio or the horrible Zephyr-based BeSpoke:
NAV UNIT pt296-47121 $590

This is really the way to go in my opinion. It's priced right, it doesn't have the poorly executed Entune, has Navigation built in, and will still stream your music masterfully like the old BeSpoke.

Runner up:
NAV UNIT pt296-00140 $900?

The new BeSpoke is much more well integrated than the old Zephyr-based one. Aha looks like it does everything right where Zephyr failed. If you want Facebook/Twitter integration, this is what you want to go for. Why do I not recommend it as number one? $310 is a bit steep to check things that you could just check on your phone anyway. I haven't tested the voice integration, and I'm sure it's again, better than the Zephyr one, but I'm sure it's still unsafe to be trying to check up on Facebook and Tweet people while you're driving.

Last place:
NAV UNIT pt296-47130 $900

I would like to hear a full review from OP as this is the unit that he selected. But I will pass my judgement based on my research.

My biggest gripe here is subscriptions. According to Toyota the Entune unit includes 3 years complementary service for the Premium Navigation with Enture and Display Auida and Display Navigation with Entune. After 3 years, it equates to $5 a month for apps, $5 a month for Data Services, with XM available for $14.49 a month. I'm not sure if ordering this stereo as a non-dealer installed option waives these fees, but I would never want to pay for those things that I'm already paying for on my phone. Might as well get it through Aha at no additional charge.

If you have a Blackberry, it may be one of the few reasons to stick with Entune as it is available on BB. Bing, iheartradio, Moviefone, Opentable, and Pandora are those apps you will be paying monthly for, all available for free on my phone, and things I don't need to be fiddling with while I'm driving. So I believe it's an underwhelming value.

Additionally iPhones MUST be connected via USB with this unite, whereas a number of Android devices can be wirelessly tethered for the app functionality.

That being said I will be ordering my recommended stereo today.

[jacobzking]

EVERYTHING IN ENTUNE IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. I use it with my iPhone 5 wirelessly, no problem. My only complaint is that I have to log in to entune on my car (wont remember password/login).

[Mandy]

Originally Posted by jacobzking

EVERYTHING IN ENTUNE IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. I use it with my iPhone 5 wirelessly, no problem. My only complaint is that I have to log in to entune on my car (wont remember password/login).

Correct me if I'm wrong:
PT546-00140 is the Scion base head unit.
PT296-00140 is the addon module for nav/BeSpoke
PT296-47121 module enables navigation only
PT296-47130 module enables navigation and Entune (as opposed to BeSpoke)

So I would need to get PT546-00140 regardless of which PT296-XXXXX module I choose, the nice thing is that we actually get to choose which module we prefer.

Furthermore we would need the:
GPS Antenna - $17.99
Harness - $37.95

Just wanted to make this as concise as possible.

$1400 for the stereo just seems like much more of a ripoff than the $895 I paid for the original BeSpoke by Zephyr (read: crap) stereo. From everything I was hearing I was under the impression that the unit with navigation was going to be approximately $550, which I thought was more than reasonable for what it was. Even at $1100 (another number I heard being thrown around) it didn't sound all that bad, but I feel like it's a real price gouging just to have things that I find commonplace on a number of other cars in this price range for an upgraded system with navigation.

Sorry it took me so long to get my thoughts sorted out in this post.

[jacobzking]

Originally Posted by Mandy

Correct me if I'm wrong:
PT546-00140 is the Scion base head unit.
PT296-00140 is the addon module for nav/BeSpoke
PT296-47121 module enables navigation only
PT296-47130 module enables navigation and Entune (as opposed to BeSpoke)

So I would need to get PT546-00140 regardless of which PT296-XXXXX module I choose, the nice thing is that we actually get to choose which module we prefer.

Furthermore we would need the:
GPS Antenna - $17.99
Harness - $37.95

Just wanted to make this as concise as possible.

$1400 for the stereo just seems like much more of a ripoff than the $895 I paid for the original BeSpoke by Zephyr (read: crap) stereo. From everything I was hearing I was under the impression that the unit with navigation was going to be approximately $550, which I thought was more than reasonable for what it was. Even at $1100 (another number I heard being thrown around) it didn't sound all that bad, but I feel like it's a real price gouging just to have things that I find commonplace on a number of other cars in this price range for an upgraded system with navigation.

Sorry it took me so long to get my thoughts sorted out in this post.

that is all correct (except the $37 part is a bracket/install kit, not a harness). if you buy the nav module (no bespoke or entune) for $590 then you're looking at about $1200 for a complete NAV which is very reasonable for a COMPLETE nav for OEM (including the head unit for $525). remember, you can probably sell the bespoke head unit for $500 on ebay.

[Mikem53]

I have the original Bespoke stereo in the car..
I use my Galaxy Nexus android phone with it. I can play music
and my nav plays thru the bespoke. i can receive calls while its
navigating and still hear turn directions. It stops the music automatically
for calls with music coming off Pandora and such. I cant see the nav
on the screen.. but can look down at my phone if necessary..
i get HD radio just fine.. there are already video inputs and a DIY
thread on adding a backup camera to it for $20 !!
So why is it such a POS? I dont need to spend $1200 for not much
improvement.
I dont use the radio much anyway.. but it seems to work just fine for me..
besides.. this car is too much fun to drive.. i dont want to waste time playing with
the radio when i can be driving..

Originally Posted by Mandy

Correct me if I'm wrong:
PT546-00140 is the Scion base head unit.
PT296-00140 is the addon module for nav/BeSpoke
PT296-47121 module enables navigation only
PT296-47130 module enables navigation and Entune (as opposed to BeSpoke)

So I would need to get PT546-00140 regardless of which PT296-XXXXX module I choose, the nice thing is that we actually get to choose which module we prefer.

Furthermore we would need the:
GPS Antenna - $17.99
Harness - $37.95

Just wanted to make this as concise as possible.

$1400 for the stereo just seems like much more of a ripoff than the $895 I paid for the original BeSpoke by Zephyr (read: crap) stereo. From everything I was hearing I was under the impression that the unit with navigation was going to be approximately $550, which I thought was more than reasonable for what it was. Even at $1100 (another number I heard being thrown around) it didn't sound all that bad, but I feel like it's a real price gouging just to have things that I find commonplace on a number of other cars in this price range for an upgraded system with navigation.

Sorry it took me so long to get my thoughts sorted out in this post.

[Mandy]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

I have the original Bespoke stereo in the car..
I use my Galaxy Nexus android phone with it. I can play music
and my nav plays thru the bespoke. i can receive calls while its
navigating and still hear turn directions. It stops the music automatically
for calls with music coming off Pandora and such. I cant see the nav
on the screen.. but can look down at my phone if necessary..
i get HD radio just fine.. there are already video inputs and a DIY
thread on adding a backup camera to it for $20 !!
So why is it such a POS? I dont need to spend $1200 for not much
improvement.
I dont use the radio much anyway.. but it seems to work just fine for me..
besides.. this car is too much fun to drive.. i dont want to waste time playing with
the radio when i can be driving..

It's a pos because I paid $895 for a touch screen with some not-so-important information... the basic stereo does absolutely everything you just mentioned with the exception of the video inputs (which never interested me).

I shelled out the $895 because I thought it would be real, usable, navigation, not the Zephyr-powered garbage that came with it. It's my fault for not testing it out thoroughly before receiving the car, but it's not excuse for what a poor piece of equipment it is in 2013. I've gotten rid of my iPhone since I got the car, so it just gets worse from there.

I can't even have music playing on my Android when I'm listening to the navigation since for whatever reason Google decide to do away with the navigation slider for sound. For the three-to-four times a month that I go to a new place, and have no idea how to get there, I value the ease of having navigation in my car, which adjusts the sounds to audible levels, provides turn-by-turn directions, and displays the basic map information I need in the head unit. I felt raped of those $895 the second I attempted to use the routing on BeSpoke because the only reason I paid the premium was for that feature.

It's just adding insult to injury when I need to cough up another $1200 to have a navigation system on par with what many companies have had years ago.

Clearly you didn't get it for the navigation, and you're happy with your purchase, and I'm happy for you, but the combination of leaving the old BeSpoke unsupported, and unupgraded, and then releasing a newer system in two trims flat out sucks for me.

[AVodka14]

Waiting for OEM brackets and GPS antenna for a clean swap.