speeding ticket

[LeeMaster]

Originally Posted by FR-Shadow

For example they had a red FRS modded (lowered, intake, exhaust, heated leather seats, Five Axis spoiler and rims) and the guy who bought it was 55 and said he planned to baby it totally. To me thats almost a waste. A lot of mid life crisises happening here in WI i guess lol

FRS or BRZ?

[HotLava]

Okay, you should not have been going 80 in 40. BUT . . . not all 40 zones are equal. Don't kid yourself that your Department of Transportation is running around conducting new engineering studies on what the appropriate speed limit should be roads. A lot of these limits were set decades ago and are too low.

[FR-Shadow]

Originally Posted by LeeMaster

FRS or BRZ?

FRS--it was a dealer option.

I have heated seats in my cloth seats. Dealer added.

[LeeMaster]

I never heard of that, good to know

[MmmDieselFumes]

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[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by HotLava

Okay, you should not have been going 80 in 40. BUT . . . not all 40 zones are equal. Don't kid yourself that your Department of Transportation is running around conducting new engineering studies on what the appropriate speed limit should be roads. A lot of these limits were set decades ago and are too low.

The speed limit is whatever is posted. Because you, or an engineer, or the DOT determines that it's "too low" or "could be higher" makes zero difference. The speed limit is what it is.

Case in point: I once got a ticket on a Michigan freeway for 67 in a 55. By the time I went to court the speed limit on that road changed to 65. The judge said to me, "I don't care what the limit is today, what was it when you were issued this ticket."

To the OP: I am not a lawyer, but I would politely suggest that if you intend to contest this ticket or future tickets, that you not admit guilt on the Internet. You never know who may be reading. Saying "I had slowed down to 60" is doing just that. Even at 60 in a 40 you are going exceedingly fast.

Take your medicine

[automatic]

Originally Posted by jarviz

Not sure how he clocked me because I'm pretty sure he was moving too and I thought he was a cabbie at the time. He was easily over 200ft away when I noticed him catching up to me but I was already back down to 60. Wouldn't it be near impossible to eyeball another car's actual speed without a detector?

Some police cruisers have a radar mounted to the dash, and one facing the rear which is calibrated to their speedometer. Once they get a reading on you, the system will calculate how fast you were going.

I got busted twice in the U.S. because of this. By the time you see them, its too late unless the radar was off or there was traffic around you and they couldnt tell which car gave them the reading.

[blackraven1425]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

The speed limit is whatever is posted. Because you, or an engineer, or the DOT determines that it's "too low" or "could be higher" makes zero difference. The speed limit is what it is.

Yes, the law is the law, and the legal system is only able to interpret and administer the law. Now, step back from the legal system, and open your mind to the possibility that laws may be unjust, unfair or arbitrary, and you can see his point.

"The law is the law" is absolutely not a justification of the law except in a courtroom. Is warrantless wiretapping right because it's the law? Are airstrikes against civilian targets right because it's the law? Was the internment of individuals of Japanese heritage right because it was the law? These are extreme examples, but these laws are all subject to the same scrutiny we're talking about here.

In legal land, the law is the law - the speed limit is 40 and you get caught doing 80, you broke the law and will have to pay for it. But back in reality, every law is subject to the same kind of evaluation and discussion as anything else in the world. The real question isn't "Is 60mph is a 40mph zone legal?", it's "Is the 40mph speed limit right?".

[HotLava]

Originally Posted by blackraven1425

Yes, the law is the law, and the legal system is only able to interpret and administer the law. Now, step back from the legal system, and open your mind to the possibility that laws may be unjust, unfair or arbitrary, and you can see his point.

"The law is the law" is absolutely not a justification of the law except in a courtroom. Is warrantless wiretapping right because it's the law? Are airstrikes against civilian targets right because it's the law? Was the internment of individuals of Japanese heritage right because it was the law? These are extreme examples, but these laws are all subject to the same scrutiny we're talking about here.

In legal land, the law is the law - the speed limit is 40 and you get caught doing 80, you broke the law and will have to pay for it. But back in reality, every law is subject to the same kind of evaluation and discussion as anything else in the world. The real question isn't "Is 60mph is a 40mph zone legal?", it's "Is the 40mph speed limit right?".

In California a reduction by local jurisdictions from the maximum speed limit of 70 has to be based on a traffic and engineering study to be legal and valid. A city can't just 'make up' 35MPH because they think it's safe. The lower limit has to be with 5% of what 85% of the other drivers drive at. It's actually A LOT more complicated than that as local streets, roadways and other categories of roads fall under different state and federal rules, which result in different outcomes. In other states it might be different. But in CA the posted speed limit is not necessarily the controlling law.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by FR-Shadow

ok just being funny here but....

The dealer I got my FRS from has sold all their FRS's to 50 plus year olds who say they plan to baby it. Which i believe because lets be honest.

I was the youngest (23) they sold the FRS to.

For example they had a red FRS modded (lowered, intake, exhaust, heated leather seats, Five Axis spoiler and rims) and the guy who bought it was 55 and said he planned to baby it totally. To me thats almost a waste. A lot of mid life crisises happening here in WI i guess lol

or they just wanted a nice car, and know how to take care of one. rather than modding it to be be faster around a track.

different strokes for different folks.

when i get mine, i plan on upgrading to the JDM/EUDM versions, maybe a few mods from TRD, but that's it. I don't really care about being fast around a track, because the world isn't a race track. i enjoy casual driving, road trips, and just the road in general.

so don't say those who'd rather garage it, "baby" it, etc. are wasting their cars, they probably just like it as is.

different strokes for different folks.

[wrxgoose]

Originally Posted by MmmDieselFumes

Learn physics, get out of tickets.

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i actually got out of a ticket with my mini by explaining how 1. rubber loses it's maliability in the cold (it had been 20* all week) and 2. little motorcycle tires (the mini's) don't have much grip as it is.


to be honest, i probably got out of it because i had been seeing my son and was excited, even had a drawing he'd done on my passanger seat. but the cop was very cool about it.


edit: the ticket was for squeeling tires, not speeding.

[blackraven1425]

Originally Posted by HotLava

In California a reduction by local jurisdictions from the maximum speed limit of 70 has to be based on a traffic and engineering study to be legal and valid. A city can't just 'make up' 35MPH because they think it's safe. The lower limit has to be with 5% of what 85% of the other drivers drive at. It's actually A LOT more complicated than that as local streets, roadways and other categories of roads fall under different state and federal rules, which result in different outcomes. In other states it might be different. But in CA the posted speed limit is not necessarily the controlling law.

Yeah, it's much more simple in NJ. Do the posted limit, or you risk a ticket. Of course, more than half the people on the Turnpike do over 65, so you're pretty much fine there. From talking to quite a few cops, they're typically looking for other things that indicate unsafe driving practices - lots of lane changes, no blinkers, tailgating, etc, and basing their descision on who to pull over on that or massive violations like over 100 on the Turnpike.

[Wes]

Yeahh at the speed you were going in a 40, I dont have sympathy for you, sorry (not really lol). I'd understand if it was 80 in a 60 since almost everyone does that here.

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

or they just wanted a nice car, and know how to take care of one. rather than modding it to be be faster around a track.

different strokes for different folks.

when i get mine, i plan on upgrading to the JDM/EUDM versions, maybe a few mods from TRD, but that's it. I don't really care about being fast around a track, because the world isn't a race track. i enjoy casual driving, road trips, and just the road in general.

so don't say those who'd rather garage it, "baby" it, etc. are wasting their cars, they probably just like it as is.

different strokes for different folks.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Just because someone buys a performance car, doesn't mean anything to their intentions for it or motivations for buying it.

For example, when is the last time you saw someone flying sideways down the road in a Ferrari, Corvette, Lamborghini, Aston, ect. The vast majority of the people that I have seen in these cars drive slower than I do yet they are in some of the best performing cars in the world.

Interestingly enough, from my highly unscientific observations I have noticed that majority of people driving like idiots are driving SLOW cars.

Scott