2013 Scion FR-S: 10 Things You Don't Know (Maybe) - Insideline

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

John@Hytech makes awesome products. I'd love to see a Hytech header for this car even though I know I won't want to see the price

My temptation would be a Akrapovic exhaust if they made one for the FRS/BRZ and it sounded anywhere as good as their Porsche system. I'm sure there will be lots of options within a year from now.

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by 3scapist

Maybe I should wait for the stripped down version then No radio, no backseats, maybe a 4 point roll cage from the factory? Heaven.

I highly doubt it but if it did, it will only be half cage like the US spec 911 RS series cars unlike their international counter parts which have full cages. Something about the rule book here makes it very hard (or impossible?) for manufactures to sell street legal cars with full roll cages. Again, I just don't see it happening on a car of this caliber but who knows?

I'm with you though, it's bitter sweet news. On the tC the r spec package was great as it did away with the glass roof but all other changes were negligible.

Looking at the Boss 302 and arguably the Genesis Coupe R spec for inspiration (what other car under $45k has a track version?) on what could possibly be done. I don't think the a/c will be removed, I doubt the audio will be removed completely, either. Rear seats are a possibility, as well as less speakers. Bigger brakes, front brake cooling ducts, tweaks in aero with a front splitter and functional rear spoiler/diffuser, oil cooler, unique temp. and pressure gauges, and a reworked suspension with some additional bracing and wheel/tire combo. Any combination of the above..

Or it could just be a no options car offered in 3 of the most abundant colors with corner cutting to save costs (i.e. leave some parts unpainted, take out cruise control, steelies with hubcaps, no options/accessories).

Who knows.

[CSOCSO]

"3. There's Solid Evidence a Turbo Is Coming"

Uhm... where? Or you mean supercharger?

[Z.Tune]

pre ordered

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Re_Invention

I highly doubt it but if it did, it will only be half cage like the US spec 911 RS series cars unlike their international counter parts which have full cages. Something about the rule book here makes it very hard (or impossible?) for manufactures to sell street legal cars with full roll cages. Again, I just don't see it happening on a car of this caliber but who knows?

I'm with you though, it's bitter sweet news. On the tC the r spec package was great as it did away with the glass roof but all other changes were negligible.

Looking at the Boss 302 and arguably the Genesis Coupe R spec for inspiration (what other car under $45k has a track version?) on what could possibly be done. I don't think the a/c will be removed, I doubt the audio will be removed completely, either. Rear seats are a possibility, as well as less speakers. Bigger brakes, front brake cooling ducts, tweaks in aero with a front splitter and functional rear spoiler/diffuser, oil cooler, unique temp. and pressure gauges, and a reworked suspension with some additional bracing and wheel/tire combo. Any combination of the above..

Or it could just be a no options car offered in 3 of the most abundant colors with corner cutting to save costs (i.e. leave some parts unpainted, take out cruise control, steelies with hubcaps, no options/accessories).

Who knows.

You don't want a roll cage in a street car. They're not designed for use without the occupants being helmeted. If you were involved in an accident on public roads there's a good chance you'd bash your skull in.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

You don't want a roll cage in a street car. They're not designed for use without the occupants being helmeted. If you were involved in an accident on public roads there's a good chance you'd bash your skull in.

[DrunkenMime]

Toyota already said there will be no turbo offered. I think it'll be a supercharger instead. Less engineering involved and a relatively easy upgrade from the dealer.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

Toyota already said there will be no turbo offered. I think it'll be a supercharger instead. Less engineering involved and a relatively easy upgrade from the dealer.

That would be an ideal solution for early adopters - if they came to feel a need for additional go at any point they can just add a SC later without voiding their warranty, and won't "lose out" by not waiting for later year models.

[jemartti]

Originally Posted by Re_Invention

Looking at the Boss 302 and arguably the Genesis Coupe R spec for inspiration (what other car under $45k has a track version?) on what could possibly be done. I don't think the a/c will be removed, I doubt the audio will be removed completely, either. Rear seats are a possibility, as well as less speakers. Bigger brakes, front brake cooling ducts, tweaks in aero with a front splitter and functional rear spoiler/diffuser, oil cooler, unique temp. and pressure gauges, and a reworked suspension with some additional bracing and wheel/tire combo. Any combination of the above..

Check out the Mini John Cooper Works GP. Though not in production any more, it's arguably a fairly good example.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

You don't want a roll cage in a street car. They're not designed for use without the occupants being helmeted. If you were involved in an accident on public roads there's a good chance you'd bash your skull in.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't roll cages also designed to be used without air bags and with full racing harnesses to keep the driver and passenger firmly planted to the seats?

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

You don't want a roll cage in a street car. They're not designed for use without the occupants being helmeted. If you were involved in an accident on public roads there's a good chance you'd bash your skull in.

Correct... ? Not sure what're you responding to.. but yes, that is correct.

Originally Posted by jemartti

Check out the Mini John Cooper Works GP. Though not in production any more, it's arguably a fairly good example.

Yeah it was a very cool car but definitely not cheap.

I'm hopeful that the 'stripped' FR-S follows in the footsteps of the tC Spec package or the Impreza WRX TR. Make the car $1,000-2,000 cheaper by removing parts rather then $1,000-10,000 more expensive by removing AND adding parts.

[Racelex]

Without a racing harness on your seat, a roll cage in your car will do more harm then good when you're involved in a car collision.

Racing harness is designed to keep you firmly in your seat so you won't be tossed around when you crash, it also keeps your head from banging into the cage when you crash.

Sure some people put foam padding that covers the roll cages, but how effective that is against a head without a helmet is unknown.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Re_Invention

Correct... ? Not sure what're you responding to.. but yes, that is correct.



Yeah it was a very cool car but definitely not cheap.

I'm hopeful that the 'stripped' FR-S follows in the footsteps of the tC Spec package or the Impreza WRX TR. Make the car $1,000-2,000 cheaper by removing parts rather then $1,000-10,000 more expensive by removing AND adding parts.

Ah guys we are probably never going to see that 'Stripped' FR-S...but hey if you are going to be racing it...it would be a good idea. It just depends on how popular this car will become.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Racelex

Without a racing harness on your seat, a roll cage in your car will do more harm then good when you're involved in a car collision.

Racing harness is designed to keep you firmly in your seat so you won't be tossed around when you crash, it also keeps your head from banging into the cage when you crash.

Sure some people put foam padding that covers the roll cages, but how effective that is against a head without a helmet is unknown.

Harnesses still allow plenty of movement to hit your head. I've been there before (luckily in a very low speed incident).

Padding is only there to deflect some impact, it doesn't to much and definately is not designed nor intended to allow a non-helmeted head to have safe contact with a bar. I've seen plenty of cracked helmets from impact with heavily padded cages before.

Roll cages belong in dedicated track cars. Period. Roll bars are acceptable on the street if you also have fixed back seats and harnesses.

We don't allow cars on track if they don't match one of the following:
1. No rollover protection (ie no cage, no rollbar), must have stock (or similar reclining seats) and stock seatbelts
2. With rollover protection, must have fixed back seats and harnesses.

Any mix in between will never see track time at any events I run.