Scion FR-S Manager hopes to introduce new FR-S variant every year

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by madfast

once you drive off the lot, it's a used scion. you will take a huge hit financially. if you're mark zuckerberg, then more power to you and your money. but for the rest of us, i'd rather buy a car and not have to feel like it's obsolete one week later, when you read on the internet all the cool stuff next years car gets...

go ask a 2010 mustang GT owner how he feels... or any GT-R owner... or that one lucky guy that bought a 911 GT3 RS and the next day they announced the GT3 RS 4.0...

Actually Scions have really good resale value. The FR-S will probably have on the best resale values of any Scion or Toyota. Also remember they are not going to be making a lot of these per year.

[Giccin]

What a headache. Lol

Later down the line.. "I got mine in 2014!"
"I got mine in 2015. My 2015 is better than your 2014 at a lower price~"

[xantonin]

Great this means every year, if I buy the first edition, I'm going to hate the new variant that comes out because it has features I couldn't get.

[Zaku]

I've never owned any special editions anything nor own anything that's not a First Gen. it's not going to kill me, if I don't something special. I was always happy with the car no matter how it changed.

[ryude]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Yeah, I know exactly what it means. The first model year car isn't unusable after the "special editions*" come out. They aren't being put out to get early adopters to trade in for a newer one. They are being put out there to maintain interest as the model ages.

You say it like updating through the life of the model isn't common practice in the automotive industry. IMO, planned obsolescence is when Ford refreshed the Mustang and didn't offer the 5.0 and new 3.7 until the 2nd year of the refresh.

*This is assuming the special editions are suspension, interior, and exterior mods and not major powertrain upgrades.

The term was quickly taken up by others, but Stevens' definition was challenged. By the late 1950s, planned obsolescence had become a commonly-used term for products designed to break easily or to quickly go out of style. In fact, the concept was so widely recognized that in 1959 Volkswagen mocked it in a now-legendary advertising campaign. While acknowledging the widespread use of planned obsolescence among automobile manufacturers, Volkswagen pitched itself as an alternative. "We do not believe in planned obsolescence," the ads suggested. "We don't change a car for the sake of change."[5]
In 1960, cultural critic Vance Packard published The Waste Makers, promoted as an exposé of "the systematic attempt of business to make us wasteful, debt-ridden, permanently discontented individuals."[6]
Packard divided planned obsolescence into two sub categories: obsolescence of desirability and obsolescence of function. "Obsolescence of desirability", also called "psychological obsolescence", referred to marketers' attempts to wear out a product in the owner's mind. Packard quoted industrial designer George Nelson, who wrote: "Design... is an attempt to make a contribution through change. When no contribution is made or can be made, the only process available for giving the illusion of change is 'styling!'"[6]

Since you refuse to read, I have done most of the work for you.

[nixeighty6]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Dude I have heard 29 MPG up to 34 MPG...just saying.

I am not making anything up.

my bad man. i dont mean to be a di ck .. and I didn't remember that 1.2 us gal = 1 imp gal or 34 us mpg = 42 imp mpg and that all those reviews were uk

[86'd]

I think scion will have slightly different specs from year to year but I don't think they'll be full on refreshes.

Given how Toyota is treating the car, I can see the fr s turn into an s2000 and not get that many updates because the designers and engineers and whoever want to keep the car "true" to itself.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by syldrin

nah man they get it. it's scions way of getting around their business model and doing trim levels. the Release series is just a higher trim model that only comes in one badass color.

Or you could just drive to Subaru and have it in any color the first year?

That really makes sense to wait for some Scion special version? It doesn't to me. It's one of the reasons Scion is dying IMO.

[MotoChris98]

Life's too short - live for the present, enjoy what you have.

[PuGZoR]

It'll be 2HP bumps and slight cosmetic revisions each year. Just like every other car.

[MiguelAE86]

For those of you worried and waiting, some wise words from Mr. Moto from Club4ag that i found very inspiring:

Moto-P: We do encourage that the most enthusiastic of the FRS/BRZ/GT86/86 fans, that like the old AE86 and other Toyota sports cars, that one would like it enough to own many cars for many years, and that in the course of decades and years, that owners paint them in colors appealing to them, when the time comes to repaint the cars again, and again...

It's not just a new car, he has envisioned a hope that this car will be historic in ways that we see reasons to restore or tune, color and re-tune on our own for many many years to come.

He dreams of high school kids wishing for it, and owning one as 2nd or 3rd hand users and still have enough mentors to teach them how to drive it well and maintain it, and show them that the car ownership STARTS at the point where they take the wheel...

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by madfast

once you drive off the lot, it's a used scion. you will take a huge hit financially. if you're mark zuckerberg, then more power to you and your money. but for the rest of us, i'd rather buy a car and not have to feel like it's obsolete one week later, when you read on the internet all the cool stuff next years car gets...

go ask a 2010 mustang GT owner how he feels... or any GT-R owner... or that one lucky guy that bought a 911 GT3 RS and the next day they announced the GT3 RS 4.0...

You're right about the Mustang owners, that was tough. But the GT-R owners have the option of upgrading their car to the newest iteration through Nissan dealerships (at a price) and you conveniently decline to leave the $50,000 difference between the 911 GT3 RS and the 911 GT3 RS 4.0

I don't think it's Toyota's MO to introduce radical changes after a couple of years to a model, however, it is Subaru's. It's shocking over the WRX's life in the US to see how many changes there are in a 10 year span!

Likely we'll see an RS edition pop up in a year, or as the article says; a TRD edition, a luxury edition, etc. Cosmetic stuff and accessories and perhaps an option or two from the GT86 in the FR-S but nothing too drastic. If they offered any performance parts on a version, we'd likely see them as a stand alone purchases as well, I don't think there will be any exclusivity outside of aesthetics. If they do pull a Mustang and offer a completely refreshed body in a year, then a brand new engine the year following.. well.. I would sell the car and walk away from Toyota But a couple of horses, some paint and wheels here and there won't strain our relationship

[madfast]

Originally Posted by nixeighty6

jesus.. zuckerbrg.. really? "huge hit finalcially ." its a car, im not buying enron stock

so how do you feel with your evo mr-t? that car is a prime example of what your hating on. haha.. i bet you love every day you drive it and say "god i love my car" or do you have buyers remorse and check kbb daily to see how your investment is doing?

evo's actually hold their value quite well. and being that the next gen evo is going to be a hybrid, imo i have a future classic

[poormans_LFA]

buy for today and not for tomorrow, and enjoy what you have while you still can. always a bigger fish somewhere. as philosophical as that sounds that's my take on buying one MY or the other. it's an easy thing to get hung up on.