kid gets called out and embarrassed at car show

[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

actually, all the shifting in the blink of an eye, and 800awhp stuff is pretty typical stuff at the circuit.

lol ok.

I would love to see any circuit car close to that power level running anything other than a sequential gearbox.

[mangostick]

Originally Posted by Exhaust

Most of the mods I listed have a track intention not drag as well some are to increase throttle response.

That's fine, but if a guy is going to talk smack to you its likely not going to be about who can get around a road course faster. I've seen guys poke fun like that but its usually while discussing tire pressure and most recent damper settings... not talkin smack on the street. Those idiots only want straight line go fast activities.

The stuff you listed, sure will prep the car for some track use .. but a grounding kit? Dude its a brand new car.. it hasn't had time to corrode and decrease continuity yet. Save money on that and stick with bushings or bracing. flywheel will give you enough rotational mass reduction to not need a pully (another place to save money, unless you just want one for looks) .. and the rear seat delete? .. you'll save more weight by yanking the spare and all its tools/jack.

I'm gettin off topic but I'm sure you're getting the point. If you're goin to track the car at all concentration should first go to handling, braking and ways to shave weight. HP upgrades shouldn't even come in until you've got quite a bit of race time down.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I think less of myself for watching the whole video.

Time to take a long shower in an otherwise futile attempt to wash this filth off me.

Originally Posted by Asterisked Accolade

I hated everyone in that video. No one came to the rescue, no one was the bigger man-- it was like a proforma d*ck-measuring contest sponsored by 'My-Dad-Never-Loved-Me Masculinity Complexes.'

As for the FRS Forums, I wonder what it would be..

"I goz moar LEDs than juuuu"

"Go chave dat BRZ moustassshhhhh"

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by dsmx17

lol ok.

I would love to see any circuit car close to that power level running anything other than a sequential gearbox.

what rules are there in drag racing?

Local or professional?

Do they not allow clutchless shifting or automatic gear boxes?

....and circuit racing, you'll also have to downshift quick too! as well as time it with your braking zone..

[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

what rules are there in drag racing?

Local or professional?

Do they not allow clutchless shifting or automatic gear boxes?

....and circuit racing, you'll also have to downshift quick too! as well as time it with your braking zone..

You can run an auto, sequential or full manual in drag racing, but you are still missing the point I am using first hand experience with MY car that I have gone low 9's in MY full manual SYNCO transmission. So comparing "what you see on TV, or what your buddy says" im telling you it isnt as easy as your XBOX makes it seem.



As a general rule, I don't see circuit guys, or endurance guys banging gears hardly ever, its simply not as crucial as it is in drag racing since you use momentum more in wheel to wheel racing. Not to mention you have longer transient time to change gears in a 200whp car VS a 800whp its just common sense, much like approaching a braking zone in a horsepower car VS handling car. Less time to react is the point im making.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Exhaust

Most of the mods I listed have a track intention not drag as well some are to increase throttle response.

Again, none of which makes you faster on track except perhaps the blower...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by dsmx17

You can run an auto, sequential or full manual in drag racing, but you are still missing the point I am using first hand experience with MY car that I have gone low 9's in MY full manual SYNCO transmission. So comparing "what you see on TV, or what your buddy says" im telling you it isnt as easy as your XBOX makes it seem.



As a general rule, I don't see circuit guys, or endurance guys banging gears hardly ever, its simply not as crucial as it is in drag racing since you use momentum more in wheel to wheel racing. Not to mention you have longer transient time to change gears in a 200whp car VS a 800whp its just common sense, much like approaching a braking zone in a horsepower car VS handling car. Less time to react is the point im making.

Rather, your trans only has to last for 1 pull down the strip, whereas a track car needs to last a lap or a race.

The guys with big money go sequential anyways. If their class allows for it.

[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Rather, your trans only has to last for 1 pull down the strip, whereas a track car needs to last a lap or a race.

The guys with big money go sequential anyways. If their class allows for it.

Excatly why its a mute point, the wheel to wheel guys are inherantly (sp) easier on their transmissions due to longevity issues.

[dsmx17]

And just to clarify, I enjoy both drag and road racing. They are both fun and challenging in their own respect it simply pisses me off when people pull the fast car VS fast driver card when its simply not true.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by dsmx17

And just to clarify, I enjoy both drag and road racing. They are both fun and challenging in their own respect it simply pisses me off when people pull the fast car VS fast driver card when its simply not true.

I would argue its more of a capability of reaction. I point to the fact that you don't really see a lot of older (50-60+) racers on pro road/touring courses, whereas you will see them all over drag strips. I'm just relating from my personal observations. Yes, you need to adjust quickly, but its the amount of adjustment that is necessary. The body also weakens as you get older, and can't put up with stresses associated with circuit racing.

[dsmx17]

^ Great observation, but unrelated. I would be willing to bet the older people that drag race use 98% auto transmissions, and yes you are right the load on ones body can be harder with road racing due to the length of seat time, the only time road racing has similar loads applied is during hard braking compared to drag racing acceleration and braking high G force loads.

[dsmx17]

I'm starting to realize im arguing this point on the wrong forum, obviously most of those in this thread have never been in the same posistion as myself, and simply cannot grasp the point.

[Gixxersixxerman]

I love both.. But as once was pointed out to me.. Just about anyone can get in the top of the class race car, excluding F1, and run a circuit around a track first time in the car... No one would be able to get in a top fuel funny car or dragster and run it even half throttle down a 1/4 mile...


Also btw.. Kurt Busch who is very fast around a road course, barely qualified in a prepped pro stock car for nhra.. He did get his license but has been quoted several time road course racing is easier the drag racing.. You can use that "they just drive in circles" excuse all you want.. If it so easy, go do it and make your millions

[CyberFormula]

but what if you compare Time attack with Drag racing...where longevity isn't an issue.

compare/contrast

Time attack:
Turning (ratios, chambers), braking components, suspension, shifting, timing of shifting/braking/accelerating, smoothness, early/late/ideal line, tire choices, aerodynamics, weight distribution, total weight, chassis stiffness.

Drag racing:
Input here...


I kinda understand your point about high powered cars, and that it takes alot of skills to control. But almost anybody can drive a moderate pace in any form of racing and call it a day. Therefore this comparison should be "all out" fastest time type of activity. There is just much more involved when you have to turn the steering wheel and account for different temperatures, brake materials, and tactic in deciding which line to take (which there are too many possibilities in a road course), which would determine an overall time. In drag racing, alof of stuff matter in controlling the high powered car and keep it going straight, but no real "tactic" ...but more so Skill and experience with handling the car in my perspective of drag racing.