Interesting take on 2012 GT-R

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

Don't let the truth get in the way of their dreams man!

And we haven't even got into how their oil pumps like to disintegrate at high revs...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

Personal experience. Japanese cars are dime a dozen here.

I have worked in the mines and power generation all my working career. My mates all have high powered evo's, GTR's, sti's, supra's, ect... I brought houses.

As I said, you guys don't have them, and thanks to fast and furious, you guys treat them like gods!

My brothers old R33 gtr was a beast when running right, but what a temperamental bitch! Used to get chopped all the time by honda's let alone evo's on the street. His evo 9 is 10x the car.... STOCK!

R32's are over 20 years old!!! Don't forget that......

that personal anecdote isnt enough data to say things like a civic type r is faster around a track than a gtr. unless you have taken the cars under the same conditions with the same driver and comparable tires that doesnt really mean anything

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

And you think the street is a power track?

no. the street isnt a track but if you would explain what you are getting at maybe i could give a better answer

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

no. the street isnt a track but if you would explain what you are getting at maybe i could give a better answer

I think what he's getting at is that the GTRs are only fast when you 'get on it'. Hard. My 1JZ Supra was like that.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Dimman

2JZGTE has waaaay more power under the curve than an RB26DETT.

1JZGTE and RB26DETT are a better comparison.

Have a look at what's out here:

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/se...inAsk=&maxAsk=

R32/R33 GTRs are about as special as JZA70 Mk3 Supras. They don't suck balls by any means, but the Skyline gets a TON more hype than a 1JZ-powered Mk3. Thanks Gran Turismo!

Most of them are GTS models!

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

I'll bet ya my left nut I've driven more GTR's than Ichi lol!
They are dime a dozen here.

And no one leaves them stock, just an exhaust change gains a stupid ammount of kw's. On the street you don't get the top end power advantage.

Even the Japanese spec supra is quicker around Tsukuba than the R32 gtr. You guys got bigger/better turbos than us, so bigger advantage.

You can show Ichi since he probably won't believe there is a pair even there! j/k!

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

Personal experience. Japanese cars are dime a dozen here.

I have worked in the mines and power generation all my working career. My mates all have high powered evo's, GTR's, sti's, supra's, ect... I brought houses.

As I said, you guys don't have them, and thanks to fast and furious, you guys treat them like gods!

My brothers old R33 gtr was a beast when running right, but what a temperamental bitch! Used to get chopped all the time by honda's let alone evo's on the street. His evo 9 is 10x the car.... STOCK!

R32's are over 20 years old!!! Don't forget that......

Man, is that what you think, FnF was the reason!!

C'mon now! It was actually you guys with your R33 that put it on the map! Then again it wasn't stock. You know how it goes, "people want what they can't have" and the Skyline never came to the US.

I remember watching this vid from God knows when... years and years ago!!
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[Dimman]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Most of them are GTS models!

Yup. Feel the epic JDM power of the 200 hp RB20...

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by fatoni

that personal anecdote isnt enough data to say things like a civic type r is faster around a track than a gtr. unless you have taken the cars under the same conditions with the same driver and comparable tires that doesnt really mean anything

have you ever seen best motoring?
Look at the Tsukuba stock lap times. GTR's are crap stock man, just get over it.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Man, is that what you think, FnF was the reason!!

C'mon now! It was actually you guys with your R33 that put it on the map! Then again it wasn't stock. You know how it goes, "people want what they can't have" and the Skyline never came to the US.

I remember watching this vid from God knows when... years and years ago!!
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We have The worlds fastest gtr's here in Australia, and it wasn't the R33 that put them on the map.

It was the R32 group A that put them on the map! They were that dominant here at Bathurst, they changed the rules and basically banned them. We could buy the R32 straight off the show room floor. Before this, it was the Ford Sierra RS500 cosworths mopping the floor with everyone else.

But at the end of the day, 2JZ's rule the roost over here in both at the drags and dyno comps. I'm sure it's the same world wide.

[Dimman]

^ What about that weird Aussie-only RB30 I've heard about? What's that about?

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by Dimman

^ What about that weird Aussie-only RB30 I've heard about? What's that about?

That is from our Nissan built Holden VL commodore, a real early version of your Aussie built Pontiac GTO!

The engine is a single cam, and came with or with out a turbo. Everyone here puts on the twin cam head (gts or gtr), instant motor better than GTR's RB26! Actually a hell of a lot of the GTR guys use this 3L bottom end! Cheap as chips as you could imagine.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

That is from our Nissan built Holden VL commodore, a real early version of your Aussie built Pontiac GTO!

The engine is a single cam, and came with or with out a turbo. Everyone here puts on the twin cam head (gts or gtr), instant motor better than GTR's RB26! Actually a hell of a lot of the GTR guys use this 3L bottom end! Cheap as chips as you could imagine.

And I had another Aussie guy up here feed me a story about JZ/RB head/block interchange (minor mods/welding involved). He didn't seem like he was BSing me either...

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by Dimman

And I had another Aussie guy up here feed me a story about JZ/RB head/block interchange (minor mods/welding involved). He didn't seem like he was BSing me either...

I don't know why you would bother to even try that to be honest.

I've seen a few people put a 1jz head on a 2jz block though.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

have you ever seen best motoring?
Look at the Tsukuba stock lap times. GTR's are crap stock man, just get over it.

thats such an arbitrary way to judge cars. besides, the cars were still driven by different people at different times. if were going off this kind of bench racing then i could say the evo 8 is better than the lotus 211 or the civic is better than the nsx or the new civic is better than the f430.

im not particularly impressed with the r32 but i am curious as to a)why you call them slow as a retort to people saying the skyline isnt what it used to be and b)why you keep bringing up facts only to get angry when i question the credibility

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

I don't know why you would bother to even try that to be honest.

I've seen a few people put a 1jz head on a 2jz block though.

I know that with some relatively minor welding you can put a 16V Volvo head on a Ford 2.3L (old Merkur/SVO turbo motor), same bore/spacing or something.

This guy seriously didn't seem to be shitting me. I've seen whole JZ motors in Skylines, but he was adamant that you could swap heads. Talked about the different intake/exhaust sides too...

As for the JZ swap, before I sold my car I had a VVT-i IS300 2JZGE head (very last/latest JZ tech) that I was planning on putting on my 1JZGTE bottom end. More flow (better designed ports), faster spool (VVT-i cam phasing) = boost sooner and more topend power. Just based on the stock airflow numbers in the Lexus, I was expecting to pick up 30ish hp over 6k rpm. However the ports are totally different so that meant custom exhaust and and upper intake manifolds. And then I talked to a tuner about ECU/tuning requirements and the answer was $$$!

I think I'll go see if that frankenstein head thing is legit...