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Old 08-18-2012, 10:47 PM   #43
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The skid plate is just a sheet of molded thin plastic?
Its metal. And kinda thick.

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My 2 biggest hang ups with where I have seen turbos mounted on these cars is 2 fold:
1. it requires a electric pump for the oil return. If/when these fail, so does your turbo.
2. Maintenance - for a track car, like mine, turbo bolts and couplings always need to be checked, as the heat and vibration make them loose. Maybe this engine doesn't create those vibrations, but I'd be skeptical. And in order to check the torque on these, its a little harder than popping the hood.

But I'm not currently in the market for forced induction, so I'll let others figure it out.
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:19 PM   #45
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My 2 biggest hang ups with where I have seen turbos mounted on these cars is 2 fold:
1. it requires a electric pump for the oil return. If/when these fail, so does your turbo.
I don't know that the turbo will fail, but you will start burning serious oil if that return gets plugged up. Not a really big deal, because correcting the issue should solve any problems with oil leaking past the seals.

Turbo seals never seal 100% anyway, but I would have concerns about the cat after the turbo. It probably wouldn't survive it for long.

I am not super excited for the scavenge pump either, or the fact that proper coolant lines aren't used. This kind of setup will require a turbo timer to prevent premature turbo failure, or a patient owner.

If the pump could hold up for 50k miles I would be ecstatic. But realistically if you got 2-3 years you might be lucky. Anyone have experience with these pumps and their reliability?
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This is the most ignorant childish post i have ever seen on here. WOw.
It's just poorly written and English probably isn't his first language but I get his point. He's referring to someone else's turbo kit where the turbo is under the engine. It's almost the lowest point of the vehicle and that can be sketchy. Water, debris and all around grime can easily get on the turbo as well as the possibility of the turbo itself scrapping pavement.
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It will be worth watching the low mount turbos long term reliability for those who live in wet climates. A 10" of water on a low level crossing will almost submerge some or part of the low mount turbos, I am sure one dunking wont hurt but repeated dunkings could bring some nasty issues
that is what i am worried about. not like U.S.A we dont have good infrastructure everywhere even in big cities.
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It's just poorly written and English probably isn't his first language but I get his point. He's referring to someone else's turbo kit where the turbo is under the engine. It's almost the lowest point of the vehicle and that can be sketchy. Water, debris and all around grime can easily get on the turbo as well as the possibility of the turbo itself scrapping pavement.
Your last point is a non-issue. Don's turbo is mounted below the car but its above the lowest part of the frame by a not insignificant amount.

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I'd rather go with this over a turbo kit, if i have a tune from Visconti would i still be able to use the ecutek for tuning or would the F-Con replace it?
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I don't know that the turbo will fail, but you will start burning serious oil if that return gets plugged up. Not a really big deal, because correcting the issue should solve any problems with oil leaking past the seals.
Not sure what kind of turbo wouldn't fail if the scavenging pump failed. Sleeve bearing and DBB turbos would blow their seals which may be repairable, but you'd have to have them serviced.
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Your last point is a non-issue. Don's turbo is mounted below the car but its above the lowest part of the frame by a not insignificant amount.

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I wouldnt say a non issue. It may not be the lowest but its pretty low. Not the best spot for a daily driven vehicle. A track car or something thats brought out on sunny days is fine but having it where it is in crappy weather or constuction zones where tar and crap can get on it is a no go in my my book and most others as well. We've seen it mounted between the radiator and engine and I see no good reason to have it bottom mounted.
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We've seen it mounted between the radiator and engine and I see no good reason to have it bottom mounted.
That's where mine is mounted

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Not sure what kind of turbo wouldn't fail if the scavenging pump failed. Sleeve bearing and DBB turbos would blow their seals which may be repairable, but you'd have to have them serviced.
Most seals are similar to piston rings. They don't really "blow out" but even dual ring designs can have oil leak passed. As long as they aren't coked up or worn out, correcting the drainage issue would fix any problems that arise. I use mostly PTE and Garrett turbos, so not sure of other brands.

I've had several turbos leak oil into the intake or exhaust under certain "experiments" and still perform perfectly once the issue was corrected. So that's my experiences. I've had drain lines kink on bottom-mount SR20s with disco potatoes. Oil would pour into the exhaust, but fix the kink and everything was good as new.
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There are no skid plates on this car, just some splash guards.
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I've only taken the lower guards off once, but it seems like this turbo would be back by the plastic section. Considering how hot turbos can get, I'm assuming that splash guard would need to be removed entirely.

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