The 0W-20 Oil Change Hustle & DIY vs carfax documentation

[H380]

Also figure in time. I put about 10K miles a year split between 2 vehicles. I change oil every six months in both.

Do your own research in to synthetic oils. 0w must be from 100% man made base stock to meet the specs. 5w and higher can use conventional oil base stock IF it has going through enough chemical processes and still be called a "Full Synthetic". Notice all the 0W oils are a few $ more than the other oils? That is why.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

So because someone has a YouTube channel they aren't a credible source of information?

Come on man. Really? Like I said, a decade of info on this first gen platform including used oil analysis. My first comment was snarky but the info is out there and it disputes this. Does your youtube guy have that much data on the FA20D? Google "FT86Club UOA." Even the bobistheoilguy forums refer to this forum for data. The FA24 isn't the same exact engine and more info will come out, but using current 1st gen data is a good base as it has it's roots in the FA20D.

[NikolaiCherepanov]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Amateur attempt at twisting the point. Please argue in good faith. Even I'm admitting that my 3500-mile changes are BS.

Again don't care if its pointless its what I do, it doesn't effect you, and it doesn't harm the engine so again why are you arguing? My original comment was to the conspiracy that manufactures are making thinner oils to wear engines out faster. My second point was that I change the oil every 3K miles in my older cars because the data shows that they shouldn't be ran more than 5K on an oil change. I also notated "said 3K is perfectly fine and potentially reduces the amount of oil that goes through the PCV system/ reduces the amount of burnt oil." Potentially means it may happen or it may not. I did not say it was fact and I never claimed to be an expert.

[NikolaiCherepanov]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Come on man. Really? Like I said, a decade of info on this first gen platform including used oil analysis. My first comment was snarky but the info is out there and it disputes this. Does your youtube guy have that much data on the FA20D? Google "FT86Club UOA." Even the bobistheoilguy forums refer to this forum for data. The FA24 isn't the same exact engine and more info will come out, but using current 1st gen data is a good base as it has it's roots in the FA20D.

Yes really. The dogging on people who are mechanics and have youtube channels is why I left facebook groups for cars. It gets old really quick about people trash talking any mechanic who runs a youtube channel, just because they have an internet presence doesn't mean they are not well informed. Again iIm not saying changing every 3K in a brand new car for a 100% indisputable fact helps, but it certainly cant hurt and if I waste $54 every 3-4 months who cares? It gives me peace of mind to know I have clean oil and SOA cant say I didn't if I ever have to file a warranty claim.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

Again don't care if its pointless its what I do, it doesn't effect you, and it doesn't harm the engine so again why are you arguing? My original comment was to the conspiracy that manufactures are making thinner oils to wear engines out faster. My second point was that I change the oil every 3K miles in my older cars because the data shows that they shouldn't be ran more than 5K on an oil change. I also notated "said 3K is perfectly fine and potentially reduces the amount of oil that goes through the PCV system/ reduces the amount of burnt oil." Potentially means it may happen or it may not. I did not say it was fact and I never claimed to be an expert.

You just cited someone else who supposedly is. I have been tracking my car for 6 years almost exclusively on 0-20 and am at over 90K miles. When I was DD'ing it still running 7500mi intervals. Pretty much zero change in oil level, mostly due to the typical leaky timing cover. How much oil you think is running through my PCV? Comparing your 90's Euro cars is a totally moot point. If you want to run 3k intervals go ahead. Justifying it the way you are is lame though. The data, actual data, is out there.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

Yes really. The dogging on people who are mechanics and have youtube channels is why I left facebook groups for cars. It gets old really quick about people trash talking any mechanic who runs a youtube channel, just because they have an internet presence doesn't mean they are not well informed. Again iIm not saying changing every 3K in a brand new car for a 100% indisputable fact helps, but it certainly cant hurt and if I waste $54 every 3-4 months who cares? It gives me peace of mind to know I have clean oil and SOA cant say I didn't if I ever have to file a warranty claim.

Like all data, you take it with a grain of salt. Citation someone's opinion is not data, so use a tablespoon.

[NikolaiCherepanov]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Like all data, you take it with a grain of salt. Citation someone's opinion is not data, so use a tablespoon.

That is why i said "potentially" because again it could be true it could not be, again I'll run my 3K changes its not hurting anything, and I recommend people do whatever makes them feel better about their cars. The only thing I'll comment on is the conspiracy of thinner oils wearing engines out faster so dealers will sell more cars.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

I did not say it was fact and I never claimed to be an expert.

Especially here, it is a mistake to attempt shoring up a point with the mention of some random youtuber. It's also disingenuous to backpedal. If you didn't wish for it to be taken as fact, why mention it at all?

The butthurt is strong. ...and silly

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

That is why i said "potentially" because again it could be true it could not be, again I'll run my 3K changes its not hurting anything, and I recommend people do whatever makes them feel better about their cars. The only thing I'll comment on is the conspiracy of thinner oils wearing engines out faster so dealers will sell more cars.

I don't buy that either but the tin foil hat can be strong.

[NikolaiCherepanov]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Especially here, it is a mistake to attempt shoring up a point with the mention of some random youtuber. It's also disingenuous to backpedal. If you didn't wish for it to be taken as fact, why mention it at all?

The butthurt is strong. ...and silly

Ah the proverbial "you are butt hurt" comment, thats my favorite line from the kids at facebook. Please show me where I back pedaled? Im not going to sit here and have childish pissing contest with some random stranger on the internet, if you have data showing an FA24/FA20 can run 2-300K miles on 7500/mi oil changes then lets see it and ill change my opinion, otherwise stop arguing its getting old.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

Ah the proverbial "you are butt hurt" comment, thats my favorite line from the kids at facebook.

I predict more of the same here.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NikolaiCherepanov

That is why i said "potentially" because again it could be true it could not be, again I'll run my 3K changes its not hurting anything, and I recommend people do whatever makes them feel better about their cars. The only thing I'll comment on is the conspiracy of thinner oils wearing engines out faster so dealers will sell more cars.

Thinner oils developed with the synthetics.
The purpose behind them is simple fuel economy and reduced emissions.
Modern engines also have much better machining and tolerances so thicker oil is not needed.
The manufacturers gave up on the whole disposable, 3 year car thing in the mid nighties when they started actually making rust resistant panels.
Running thicker oil than recommended in a modern engine can wear it out even faster than using the proper grade oil. Thicker is not "better
The idea that they recommend thinner oil to sell more cars is asinine.

[soundman98]

wow, the seething anger is seeping into my interweb wires.

over oil changes.

at least everyone agrees to change the oil.


i shoot for 3k. buy the stuff at 3.5k, and usually find enough time to be bothered to do it somewhere around 5-7k. hasn't blown up yet, so must be working.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by soundman98

wow, the seething anger is seeping into my interweb wires.

over oil changes.

at least everyone agrees to change the oil.


i shoot for 3k. buy the stuff at 3.5k, and usually find enough time to be bothered to do it somewhere around 5-7k. hasn't blown up yet, so must be working.

My FRS saw an oil change someplace between 7,000 and 7,500 for the whole 130,000 miles I owned it. Even then the oil looked just about like new.
Since it is tracked now it gets them more often but there has never been a single engine issue ever.

Subaru states that 96% of their cars sold in the last 10 years are still on the road so if their plan was to sell more by having engines go they really suck at it.