Base Cayman vs BRZ

[Rai-zero]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Too many gear changes is not good. You lose time. The PDK has shorter ratios, because it is very fast. Additionally, a longer 2nd gear will still pull stronger comparing to shorter 3rd gear if everything else is equal. I'm not saying that it is always perfect to have longer gear and drive ratios, but it is not that bad and you also win in top speed.

I think you may be missing my point. I’m not racing anything, no pink slips, no lap times nothing about this would be about speed or top speed anything.

If I was caring about that I’d get a M3 or Mustang heck even a Civic R will wipe the floor with a BRZ.

Also I’m talking about MT not because I think it’s faster but because I want to shift gears. I’ve owned 9 cars with MT the BMW had a dual clutch manual DCT which shifted 10x faster than you can with a MT but I’m not looking for that, the true clutch is going away soon, even the new Supra may not have a MT. I read that Subaru wants to go all automatic transmission so they can use advance braking for safety in all their cars. Soon enough some people will go their whole life never having driven a car with a clutch.

I believe the shorter gearing means you need to be aware of your gear and pay attention somewhat when you are driving more than a car which will do 20-80 mph in second gear.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Your first statement is completely vague with no formation leading up to opinion so there's nothing to cherry pick. You left it wide open for interpretation. Fair game for him to form an opinion from scratch and impossible to cherry pick from your non-formulations. Logically (or illogically), you said:

(1) Cayman = FR-S
(2) FR-S = !FR-S
(3) FR-S = !Cayman

Substitute RHS of (2) into RHS of (1) and you get:

(4) Cayman = !FR-S

Substitute LHS of (4) into RHS of (2) and you get:

FR-S = Cayman

Substitute RHS of (1) into RHS of that result and you get:

FR-S = FR-S

You set yourself up to disprove your statement.

set up for discourse? sure. disproof? nah. being open for discussion is not the same as being open to have words put in my mouth.

[Rai-zero]

This is partly why I like BRZ small engine low TQ.

I drove a new Cayman which was turbo had gobs of TQ almost didn’t matter where you were in the rev range, just like a magic TQ engine, sure it’s fast that’s part of why Ferrari, Porsche etc are going to FI but it’s a bit less fun imo.

Faster does not mean more fun at least to me. Others feel differently but I really can’t drive fast on public roads, no Hellcat for me.

[Lynxis]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I've carried 4 18" rims with tires in mine. Try any of that in a Cayman or S2000

I've watched someone pull 4 wheels and tires and a jack out of their S2000 for swapping at the track. Top was down and 3 of the tires were in the passenger seat and strapped down. The last one and the jack were in the trunk. I've also seen someone with a Cayman had taken his passenger seat out to make space to stack his slicks.

It's not a comfortable situation and won't work if you are bringing a +1 like you can with a twin but it can be managed if you're by yourself.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

Regarding BRZ engine tune flash, is this anything that’s not safe or will void the warranty?

Almost guaranteed to cause warranty denial if the tune can even be remotely blamed for the issue. Doesn't really "void" it though. As son as you make any changes to a factory tune you are adding risk. Most tunes are a very small increase in risk but it is still increased.

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

Soon enough some North Americans will go their whole life never having driven a car with a clutch.

FIFY.
The MT is alive and well in the rest of the world.

[GrantedTaken]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I've found that nearly 200 lbs difference is pretty significant when you're talking about sub 3000 lb cars to start with. I feel a pretty big difference when I have a passenger. I don't feel it at all when adding a passenger to my Highlander

Yes, about 8%.

[GrantedTaken]

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

This is partly why I like BRZ small engine low TQ.

I drove a new Cayman which was turbo had gobs of TQ almost didn’t matter where you were in the rev range, just like a magic TQ engine, sure it’s fast that’s part of why Ferrari, Porsche etc are going to FI but it’s a bit less fun imo.

Faster does not mean more fun at least to me. Others feel differently but I really can’t drive fast on public roads, no Hellcat for me.

You've solidified this.

You will have less fun in a Cayman at twice the cost.

The answer to your thread is BRZ.

[LOLS2K]

Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer

Mods, close is up.

[Rai-zero]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

Yes, about 8%.

It’s hilarious to look at older cars, an early Dodge Caravan weighs less than a current Civic R (I’m not kidding).

First gen GTi (Rabbit) are 1000 pounds lighter than a BRZ.

[PuslarBrrrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What makes you think people don't mod Caymans? People that are inclined to mod will do it to just about any car they own.

The OP said he was not going to throw $5000 in mods at the BRZ just to level it up. I never said people don't mod Caymans...simple saying they are better out the box.

[bcj]

Getting 100hp per liter out of a N/A engine is no small potatos in my book.

[Rai-zero]

Originally Posted by bcj

Getting 100hp per liter out of a N/A engine is no small potatos in my book.

Honda did 120 hp/L 20 years ago guess we’re going backwards.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

The Cayman is heavier.
So, unless you mean the FRS is all about driving heavy cars,
then yes, Cayman is better at FRS than FRS.

Cayman has more power.
So, unless you mean the FRS is all about driving muscle cars,
then yea, Cayman is better at FRS than FRS.

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I've found that nearly 200 lbs difference is pretty significant when you're talking about sub 3000 lb cars to start with. I feel a pretty big difference when I have a passenger. I don't feel it at all when adding a passenger to my Highlander

The weight difference is closer to 150lbs when comparing the Cayman and BRZ with PP.

I don't think that small of a gap transforms the Cayman into a "heavy car".

[LOLS2K]

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

Honda did 120 hp/L 20 years ago guess we’re going backwards.

Someone had to say it.