The Curse of the El Jefe has been lifted!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ajcarson11

Right -- I agree with you on that. The torque dip is NOT the end of the world, especially when we have reasonably cheap means to lessen it.

So we DO agree on this. Now we must harness our energy on the next critical item:

Sound tube or no sound tube?

Anybody that likes the sound tube is a FOOL!

[Gmo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

See! This is the shit I am opposed to. A momentary blip in the torque should mean nothing to anybody yet it is "don't buy the 86". All it means is that you can't just mash a pedal and go. Whatever happened to actually driving a car instead of just pointing and pushing a pedal?

I think I am being misunderstood here. My fault. What I am saying is that if it is to the point where you HATE the car and can't enjoy anything else, based on a torque dip, and that is the world to you, do what you need to to get around it, or go with something else. I completely agree with you that driving outside of the torque dip is the way to go, if it means that much, and for those who can't, it should not be such an issue that the car is no longer fun to drive.

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Originally Posted by ajcarson11

So we DO agree on this. Now we must harness our energy on the next critical item:

Sound tube or no sound tube?

Funny you should say that, I was at my first 86 meet up here in Ak, and I was telling people about the differences between my car and theirs (only 2017 in the state so far). And one of the guys almost had a coronary when I told him that the sound tube doesn't bother me. I drove it with the cigarette lighter plug covering it, and I liked it better with out. Sure its 'artificial' but its authentic, its better that noise pumped through the speakers.

Edited to provide proof of a Alaska 86 club...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gmo

I think I am being misunderstood here. My fault. What I am saying is that if it is to the point where you HATE the car and can't enjoy anything else, based on a torque dip, and that is the world to you, do what you need to to get around it, or go with something else. I completely agree with you that driving outside of the torque dip is the way to go, if it means that much, and for those who can't, it should not be such an issue that the car is no longer fun to drive.

Oh that is much better!
You scared me.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by imnotsureaboutbrz

Funny you should say that, I was at my first 86 meet up here in Ak, and I was telling people about the differences between my car and theirs (only 2017 in the state so far). And one of the guys almost had a coronary when I told him that the sound tube doesn't bother me. I drove it with the cigarette lighter plug covering it, and I liked it better with out. Sure its 'artificial' but its authentic, its better that noise pumped through the speakers.

Just to be clear I was joking about being a fool if you like it!

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Just to be clear I was joking about being a fool if you like it!

Tcoat, it wouldn't have bothered me if you were serious about it. What I love about this platform and that each person can take it and make it their own. Either take it for what it is, or make it something that no one even thought possible (or rational).

WRT torque dip, and just coming out of break in I think the dip gives the car a dual personality or nature, the car is perfectly livable for day to day driving between 1k-4k with the new gear it still pulls nicely. But on spirited days I try to drive the car as if 4k is my new idle rev and wind it out every chance I get.

[goldenfri]

Didn't mean to start yet another torque dip complainer thread (but I should have know) I was personally just comparing it to my S2000, 2.5k-3.8k is so much more torquey in the BRZ and being in there so much during the break in the car feels decently fast so I forgot about the torque dip until I hit 1k miles and I was like oh... If you stay under 4k (I had rev beeper set to 3800) it feels like the car is going to be way faster once you can finally rev it out, but it's not.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

See! This is the shit I am opposed to. A momentary blip in the torque should mean nothing to anybody yet it is "don't buy the 86". All it means is that you can't just mash a pedal and go. Whatever happened to actually driving a car instead of just pointing and pushing a pedal?

Seriously... just down shift for fucks sake.

[MurderousPandas]

Originally Posted by Gmo

The torque dip sucks, there is no denying it. If you want to get around it, get an aftermarket header, get a stage 2 tune to get rid of the torque dip and enjoy the car with no/minimal torque dip. Don't want to buy aftermarket parts or tune it to get past the torque dip? Don't buy the 86/twins. Get something else. I hate the dip. Got the car and within 2 months got my UEL header and OP from Gruppe-s and stage 2 tune with OFT. My problem is solved and the car sounds better. Win-win.

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There's no problem with the torque dip. Yeah, it sucks, but if you plan on hitting the gas, you should be downshifting anyways, otherwise you're putting too much load in the wrong gear and you'll end up doing damage in the long run.

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by MurderousPandas

There's no problem with the torque dip. Yeah, it sucks, but if you plan on hitting the gas, you should be downshifting anyways, otherwise you're putting too much load in the wrong gear and you'll end up doing damage in the long run.

Incorrect.

[MurderousPandas]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Incorrect.

I'll post the thread when i find it.

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[Barefootdan]

I think the El Jefe curse has cursed this thread with off topic posts.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by MurderousPandas

I'll post the thread when i find it.

Sure. I hope it's a misunderstanding of some sort. Not directed at you, just in general.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with operating inside the torque dip, either cruising, or climbing to the top of a mountain, no harm.

[nico_rsx]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Incorrect.

He was probably talking about "lugging" the engine, which is bad. Although that would be at a much lower rpm than the torque dip.