The End of Diesel Cars is Near?

[Scrappydoo]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Nobody likes a pedant.

Name everyone.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

Name everybody..

That statement was proven wrong in post #19

Do your research.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

That said, the car is valued significantly higher than my 86 and my state is very, very greedy with vehicle taxes. ...?

There's another factor that fits into this discussion that will hit at some point when talking costs. Highway taxes.

Right now, part of the reason electricity looks cheaper is because its getting a free ride, literally. Wet fuel cars are still paying for roads electron fueled cars are driving on. When electrics hit the point where they are a significant number, that will have to change. Either your power bill will go up, or they will convert all modes of transportation to some type of usage tax based on miles driven.

The average in the US is around $0.48 per gallon but it varies by state. Note the rate shown doesn't include the Federal $0.1840 per gallon.

I'm all for alternative fuels, but you need to have a level playing field.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

There's another factor that fits into this discussion that will hit at some point when talking costs. Highway taxes.

Right now, part of the reason electricity looks cheaper is because its getting a free ride, literally. Wet fuel cars are still paying for roads electron fueled cars are driving on. When electrics hit the point where they are a significant number, that will have to change. Either your power bill will go up, or they will convert all modes of transportation to some type of usage tax based on miles driven.

The average in the US is around $0.48 per gallon but it varies by state. Note the rate shown doesn't include the Federal $0.1840 cents per gallon.

I'm all for alternative fuels, but you need to have a level playing field.

Since Canada has fewer cars on the road our fuel tax is considerably higher at $1.32 a gallon. You are correct there would need to be some other method of paying for the infrastructure. I can see there being a lot of toll roads in the future. City streets could of course just be tacked onto the property taxes.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

$0.1840 cents per gallon

Holy mismatched units Batman!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Holy mismatched units Batman!

Ugh....corrected.

[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'm all for alternative fuels, but you need to have a level playing field.

Absolutely agree.

That's a handy map. As a sales rep that does 700-1200 miles a week in season this can be put to good use to save me a few $$. Thanks. I think NJ will be jumping up more than just a few spots soon, they recently added a significant amount to their gas tax, don't remember how much though.

[WolfpackS2k]

^I think it's an increase of over 20 cents. Massive increase, if you think about it.

Originally Posted by weederr33

Just get rid of cows. That's half our problem anyway.

Cows do give off a large amount of methane, which as a greenhouse gas is 30 times stronger than CO2, however some people are ignorant (or conveniently leave out) of the fact that humans have laid waste to and driven to extinction lots of large mammals (which also emitted CH4). American bison used to number over 100,000,000 before the white Americans butchered (almost all of) them.

Originally Posted by Yardjass

I have spoken to Europeans who claim that diesel soot gets everywhere over there. Supposedly in some areas, you can wipe it off of a railing or a park bench and get black on your thumb. They don't have as strict emissions laws over there that the states has (the reason that VW got in trouble over here first and the reason that many of the European diesels are never brought to the states because they can't pass the EPA cycle). They are also running about 50% diesel ownership as opposed to our single digit rate of ownership or whatever tiny number it is, which is why you don't see this sort of an effect over here.


In reality, these large particles are less harmful than the smaller ones we aren't seeing that come from both gasoline and diesel tailpipes. They're still disgusting though, and they're not exactly good. I could see banning them based on that alone, with an exemption for heavy trucking.

I hate to be the one to explain this, but particulate pollution, like what you can get from diesel exhaust, especially outside of the US (which has the strictest standard), is by far considerably worse than as you put it, the smaller emission compounds we're not seeing. There are proven direct links connecting particulate pollution to respiratory ailments and cancer. Meanwhile a properly functioning modern gasoline powered automobile emits CO2, water vapor and trace amounts of CO - none of which are harmful to humans.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Holy mismatched units Batman!

Haha...


Nobody likes a pedant.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Cows do give off a large amount of methane, which as a greenhouse gas is 30 times stronger than CO2, however some people are ignorant (or conveniently leave out) of the fact that humans have laid waste to and driven to extinction lots of large mammals (which also emitted CH4). American bison used to number over 100,000,000 before the white Americans butchered (almost all of) them.

So for our new power source, we shall use cows! Hook up an apparatus to their snouts (and butts) and boom, energy!

[justatroll]

For those that think the US govt. will allow the energy density of Li-Ion batteries to get much higher than it is now.....

YOU are high.
The Li-Ion battery of a laptop already carries the equivalent energy of a hand grenade, do you think that the govt. will allow it to get much better than that?

Training at work for Li-Ion battery handling.

They made us watch this:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxJBRK2EXFc&vl=en"]NASA Robot RoboSimian Lithium Batteries Explosion - YouTube[/ame]

That was ONE to THREE AA sized cells that caused that.
There was only superficial damage to the surrounding cells.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Haha...


Nobody likes a pedant.

Well, no one will admit to it, because they don't want to be labelled a pedantfile.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by justatroll

For those that think the US govt. will allow the energy density of Li-Ion batteries to get much higher than it is now.....

YOU are high.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, no one will admit to it, because they don't want to be labelled a pedantfile.

antipedite