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Fwiw it didn't help toyobaru that the yen suddenly appreciated considerably. This car could've been cheaper with the same quality if it came out just a year or two earlier, but it might not have been as polished/developed as it is Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk |
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If the 86 is relegated as the entry level 25K sportscar. The upcoming (who knows) FT-1 will be the middle level 50-60K car. What fits in the middle (30-40K)? A lexus? Curious if a boosted 86 could fit into that 30-40K arena. I guess the problem is Subaru .... but is that really Toyota's problem?
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haha ok.
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The sad part is (refereeing back to your prior post) that was what the marketing people figured the consumer wanted after their lurking and mega bucks research!
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edit: I don't think anyone has ever sat back on this forum and said "This car is awesome, but you know what it really needs? Blue seat inserts. That would be swell." |
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Actually there were several threads saying almost exactly that for the FRS! There are even DIYs for changing the insert and thread colours. I am in 100% agreement with you on the marketing guys missing the mark though!
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They're not doing a great job of marketing the car, but this forum represents a very small minority of the overall ownership (and they already have us locked in). And let's face it, interior upgrades are FAR cheaper to "R&D"/implement and likely command better margins, anyways. |
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Not sure they have us locked in. Current owners can 1: sell their car; 2. return the car if leased (my situation) or 3. trade -up to another possible next gen 86. Of course .... some owners will keep their car, but for how long? The point is Toyota should be looking to KEEP these owners in next gen 86s or some other Toyota such as the FT-1. Business 101: you succeeded in getting the customer .... now KEEP the customer. |
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I'm sure people have been clamoring at Toyota to build another supra and we are finally seeing something coming out that might fill that spot. Subaru found a niche they wanted to stick with with their awd and 4wd cars. I'm sure each company heard from countless people about changes they should make but it just wasn't feasible. I feel that the auto manufacturers have been putting out what they feel will make the most people happy and unfortunately, the people that want 250, 300, 350hp gt86s are the minority |
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I don't understand why this is even a debate -- it was pretty well stated from the start that this car was to be a simplified, lightweight nimble handler that would be cheap enough for young enthusiasts to buy and modify in any way they see fit.
If this car had come from the factory with a turbo I would not have been able to buy it brand new which for myself made this car even that much more exciting. If I had more money I would probably buy a Cayman S or wait for the FT-1. As it is though I hope to get it paid off soon and when warranty is up add FI. |
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ARG. No one is arguing that the 86 should not have been offered as is, I am just saying they needed to plan a TRD/STi version with a turbo. Sort of like base Mustang, GT Mustang. Base Cayman, Cayman S. etc.
I am with Braces above: I am planning my next car purchase and as it stands, Toyota or Subie has nothing for me. The WRX should not compete with a Toyobaru sports car because that's a sedan with chunky styling. Different beast. |
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