Gmookher wants racing wheels 17x8.5 or 17x9 lowest weight options? VENDORS LOOK HERE

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by gmookher

lets throw this into the mix:
comments I have gathered, in research, PMs, etc on spacer requirement and brake clearance have me leaning towards what i can get away with on sprints with no spacer as one consideration, so that may disqualify some wheels I suppose;

a second and more important desired 'trait' would be, what wheels, if any spacerless-,can accomodate the endurance calipers in 17"template

forged vs non forged really dont matter, i guess, but if the solution happens to be a pricey forged wheel, thats light stout and clears Endurance brakes spacerless, then that makes them pre-sold,
what are my options there???

I'll throw the enduro template on all the wheels we have for our car

Pics to come tonight.

-Mike

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

It is true. Do your research before calling me out. BBS CH-R's are Rotary Forged, Advan RZ's are Rotary Forged, exactly the same process as TSW.

If you'd like proof, do some research please. Thank you

Cast wheels are NOT what people normally think of first, when you mention BBS, so while you are telling the truth, it's rather misleading.

LM's would be the first to come to my mind... and I have a set of RG-R (forged version of the RX) on my S2k. I'm sure all the former/previous subie owners here, as well as other enthusiasts, are thinking forged wheels like what came/comes on the STi and Evo.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

http://fecompetition.wordpress.com/

Matt mentions in his blog the Endurance requires 18's, not sure if true or not but he runs the Mach V and Sprint kit already...

325mm disc diameter according to Essex. Their product site for the kit states "without requiring 18" wheels" too. Mach V awesome were made to clear OEM Brembo setups which have a larger diameter disc with a BULKY caliper.

The problem here becomes offset and spoke design; hence why 17x8 RPF1 clear the sprint skit, but not 17x9 flavor.

[ModBargains.com]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Cast wheels are NOT what people normally think of first, when you mention BBS, so while you are telling the truth, it's rather misleading.

LM's would be the first to come to my mind... and I have a set of RG-R (forged version of the RX) on my S2k. I'm sure all the former/previous subie owners here, as well as other enthusiasts, are thinking forged wheels like what came/comes on the STi and Evo.

It seems misleading, but it's also the style of manufacturering process it uses, so it's a double edged sword here. Either get called out by forum members or customers who have purchased, who see us post saying, oh yeah, those are spun cast, when they just received a box that says in HUGE letters, Rotary forged, but not only that, the TSW Nurburgrings RF, and Interlagos RF wheels, say RF as well... Basically standing for, Rotary Forged...



I mean... Why call it spun cast wheel when you get a Nurburgring, or another rotary forged when it's packaged like that? Causes WAY too much confusion calling it something else, when it's the same exact process... Doesn't make a difference.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

It seems misleading, but it's also the style of manufacturering process it uses, so it's a double edged sword here. Either get called out by forum members or customers who have purchased, who see us post saying, oh yeah, those are spun cast, when they just received a box that says in HUGE letters, Rotary forged, but not only that, the TSW Nurburgrings RF, and Interlagos RF wheels, say RF as well... Basically standing for, Rotary Forged...



I mean... Why call it spun cast wheel when you get a Nurburgring, or another rotary forged when it's packaged like that? Causes WAY too much confusion calling it something else, when it's the same exact process... Doesn't make a difference.

Rotary forging is just a marketing term used by TSW. It's no different from a traditional spun cast, flow formed, or rim-rolled cast wheel. They're all different terms for the same thing.

The wheel is not made from a forged ingot like a Ray or BBS forged wheel. At the end of the day, the wheel is still formed by being CAST into a mold, not pressed into shape between dies.

[ModBargains.com]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Rotary forging is just a marketing term used by TSW. It's no different from a traditional spun cast, flow formed, or rim-rolled cast wheel. They're all different terms for the same thing.

The wheel is not made from a forged ingot like a Ray or BBS forged wheel.

It's not just a term used by TSW, it's a term used by Forgestar, Pro Comp, Centerline, and I'm sure a few more that are slipping my mind. Not sure how it can be a marketing term when it's the actual construction process that is used to make the wheel. The barrel is still forged here, it's not like it's a fully cast wheel, so I'm not sure why it's still misleading here.

Definition of Forged: Make or shape (a metal object) by heating it in a fire or furnace and beating or hammering it. [Thanks to Google for this].

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

....the wheel is still formed by being CAST into a mold, not pressed into shape between dies.

Sorry, that's wrong... Please look at the video, lets get educated. Sure doesn't look like it's being formed by a mold here. Looks like originally it was a mold, but then it is indeed pressed into it's elongated shape to give the barrel, essentially, a rotary forging!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0HGAfVJMcg"]metal forming machinery program overview - Global Metal Spinning Solutions - DENN USA Metal Forming - YouTube[/ame]

Nobody is claiming that TSW wheels, or anything else that says they are rotary forged, would be fully forged wheels, I never said that, and I'm claiming, just like in my previous post, they're exactly the same construction process as flow formed, spun forged, or spun cast, it's the same construction process, nobody is claiming it's any different.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

It seems misleading, but it's also the style of manufacturering process it uses, so it's a double edged sword here. Either get called out by forum members or customers who have purchased, who see us post saying, oh yeah, those are spun cast, when they just received a box that says in HUGE letters, Rotary forged, but not only that, the TSW Nurburgrings RF, and Interlagos RF wheels, say RF as well... Basically standing for, Rotary Forged...

I can see where you're coming from. It kind of boils down to being TSW's fault for adding the word "forged" to the description, when they could have just called it "flow form cast" or "spun-rim cast" to avoid confusion. Just marketing to make sales, plain and simple.

The problem is when people see "Rotary Forged" and see you equating that with BBS. Probably better to mention BBS CH or RC next time to specify BBS cast wheels. Otherwise those who may not know what "rotary forging" is might think RF = forged.

[ultra]

If it's for track my vote is for the MachV Awesomes. Light, cheap, hub centric, clears the fenders, packs in plenty of rubber and clears big brakes.

They look pretty good too IMHO.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

It's not just a term used by TSW, it's a term used by Forgestar, Pro Comp, Centerline, and I'm sure a few more that are slipping my mind. Not sure how it can be a marketing term when it's the actual construction process that is used to make the wheel. The barrel is still forged here, it's not like it's a fully cast wheel, so I'm not sure why it's still misleading here.

Definition of Forged: Make or shape (a metal object) by heating it in a fire or furnace and beating or hammering it. [Thanks to Google for this].



Sorry, that's wrong... Please look at the video, lets get educated. Sure doesn't look like it's being formed by a mold here. Looks like originally it was a mold, but then it is indeed pressed into it's elongated shape to give the barrel, essentially, a rotary forging!

Nobody is claiming that TSW wheels, or anything else that says they are rotary forged, would be fully forged wheels, I never said that, and I'm claiming, just like in my previous post, they're exactly the same construction process as flow formed, spun forged, or spun cast, it's the same construction process, nobody is claiming it's any different.

I never said you were wrong. I'm just saying that claiming it's on the level of a typical BBS forged wheel is wrong.

Lets not forget that BBS pioneered flow forming/rotary forging/whatever you want to call it.

[GTB/ZR-1]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

Tc105n

+1

[Ro_Ja]

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

It is true. Do your research before calling me out. BBS CH-R's are Rotary Forged, Advan RZ's are Rotary Forged, exactly the same process as TSW.

If you'd like proof, do some research please. Thank you

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

Rotary forged construction puts them in the category of BBS, Advan and a few others that use the same process as well, so they're a serious contender for a lot less than those big name brands.

But they are NOT in the same category as BBS, Advan, Rays, and others. Just because they use a similar rim forming process does NOT mean the wheels are manufactured to the same spec and use the same quality of metals.

While a rim on a BBS wheel and a TSW wheel are both flow-formed rolled, or "rotary forged," as TSW's marketing team likes to rename and advertise, it does not mean the whole wheel is structurally the same. Despite the misleading name, TSW are cast wheels. Nothing about them is forged. Enkei, who is responsible for producing Advan's wheels, Rays, and BBS's cast manufacturing processes are obviously and substantially better than TSW's (aka "The Soft Wheel" or "Too Soft Wheels"). Who supplies more race teams around the world with cast and forged wheels? Rays, Enkei, OZ, and BBS. Not TSW. Well, gee, I wonder why...



Want me to call BBS and Enkei for you? I will. Just let me know.

[gmookher]

okay, whats pricing like on the mach V?
Volk CE28N in 17x9.0 +43 are a bit more than I wanted to shell out..

seems they would still be considered lighter and stronger than Tc105n,(th the post above shows them being VERY light!)
but they probably cost more than Tc105n too

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I never said you were wrong. I'm just saying that claiming it's on the level of a typical BBS forged wheel is wrong.

Lets not forget that BBS pioneered flow forming/rotary forging/whatever you want to call it.

There really needs to be something done with this rotary 'forged' nonsense. It is a very reaching re-definition of the word, and one that isn't used in industry.

By the same standard my pots and pans in my kitchen are 'forged'. More fully than those wheels come to think about it...

The reason that forged is used without a qualifier is that for so long everything forged was die-forged that it became un-necessary to specify. Now marketing shitheads are fucking up the system.

By the marketing shitheads' logic, since shot peening cold works the surface of metal they'll be calling those wheels 'fully impact forged!!!' or some other bullshit next.

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Forged (die-forged) wheels are more fatigue resistant than the others. This is something to consider with the combination of higher loads from high grip setups, as well as repeated higher load vibration and impact. Relevant if you're going to be doing lots of track days.

[nix]

I took a big hit on a 57dr which is a cheaper rays cast wheel and it performed as well as their forged wheels ive run. For eg I had a 2 piece forged volk curb hit that needed an outer replacement due to bending. The 57dr chewed up the sidewall but showed no fatigue or marking. I don't know what tracks you run but personally wheel strength is a major plus point to me.

Im also in the market for a track set of lw 17 with bbk clearance hopefully in a 9x35-42ish size.