11-11-2011, 02:03 PM | #519 | |
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: 1998 ITR, 1999 EK3, Audi A3 SB
Location: Denmark
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I'm on my second ITR, my first one was bought from new in 1998 and had 125k miles on the clock when it was totalled in 2008, R.I.P. Traded in my 2004 E46 M3 for the second ITR (and an Audi A3) in February. I felt the M3 was harsher as a daily driver, even on longer trips My hope is that the FT86 will feel like a rwd ITR, most cars i testdrive feel too heavy and detached, kinda like driving with boxing gloves and snow shooes on |
|
11-11-2011, 02:26 PM | #520 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Drives: 2013 DZE/01 (sold for MX5 ND1)
Location: western MA
Posts: 871
Thanks: 265
Thanked 269 Times in 133 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
My experience with the ITR is limited, but it was a stock model... maybe it wasn't as bad I remembered? I do to like to feel the road... something in-between the GSR/MX5/RX8 and ITR (as I recall) would be perfect. According to fueleconomy.gov, by today's standard later model VTEC Integras would be rated at 22/28. That's obviously conservative, which is true for MPG ratings on many small-engine cars. |
|
11-11-2011, 04:49 PM | #521 | |
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: 1998 ITR, 1999 EK3, Audi A3 SB
Location: Denmark
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
one of the reasons ITR is such a fun car is that there is no electronics to nanny you except for the ABS, you can feel everything that happens, i SO hope that Toyota/Subaru understands that. I want a nimble drivers car without having to buy an Elise/Exige. I've lost faith in Honda, the Crz is crap (imho) and the EDM Civic Type-R feels too heavy and detached from the road, at least compared to the ITR, and i'm affraid that the FT86 will be the last chance for that nimble drivers car. Please Toyota/Subaru, don't let me down |
|
11-11-2011, 06:06 PM | #522 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: First SWP BRZ-L
Location: Washington
Posts: 809
Thanks: 154
Thanked 350 Times in 174 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Hello all- first post here. I drive a modified WRX.
I want to respond to the guys talking about turbo'ing the BRZ... if you take a look at that nice engine pay pic someone posted, you'll see the intake manifold is reversed from WRX/STI motors. This is a trick a lot of the aftermarket guys do to get better piping routes on the FMICs- and I think this is hugely advantageous when you think about adding a turbo to this car. I understand the options are fairly limited with such a high compression ratio, but if someone were to attempt it, it really wouldn't be that hard from a space perspective, because of that intake being flipped around. There's not much space for a turbo to be in the stock location of an STI, in the rear of the motor- but, because of the flipped intake, it'd be super easy to drop a turbo in the front, where a lot of Hondas put it, because the headers are right there, easy to get to, and the intake is also right there. Boom, all the piping is within a foot of eachother. That would make for *extremely* lag free piping, something a lot of modified WRXs and STIs have trouble with, with 12+ ft of piping around the *entire* engine bay. So don't be too discouraged- the physical design actually might benefit a turbo setup, not hurt it. On the flip side, it might make it harder to fit an EJ257 in there with it's stock turbo set up, since there would be minimal room behind the motor for that stock turbo design. You'd haveto flip the intake and move the turbo, like the design I mentioned above. Personally- I'd probably keep it NA, just because the darn thing already has 12.5:1 compression. It'd cost far more money to tear the motor open, re-do it to be low compression, fix the ECU, and manage all the aftermath of that, than it would be to just drop in a WRX/STI motor and call it a day. Easiest of all, of course, would be to just do simple bolt ons to the NA motor and be done with it, or get the rumored 2.5 liter STI version of this car and do some bolt ons to it and hope to reach 270+ hp. (hope this was a good first post) Last edited by Tainen; 11-11-2011 at 07:30 PM. |
11-11-2011, 07:01 PM | #523 |
Rocket Surgeon
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: PSM GGA OMG
Location: FL
Posts: 1,312
Thanks: 10
Thanked 141 Times in 84 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
|
11-11-2011, 09:45 PM | #524 | ||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Drives: 2013 DZE/01 (sold for MX5 ND1)
Location: western MA
Posts: 871
Thanks: 265
Thanked 269 Times in 133 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
11-12-2011, 12:23 PM | #525 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Drives: Put Put
Location: CA
Posts: 607
Thanks: 8
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Quote:
Link to the particular translation: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=81 http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=83 Quote from MatadorRacing F1: "It has two types of transmission. The one I tried was equipped with a 6 speed manual. They assured me that there would be two possibibilties of development, following the country [market] that it will go to or the taste of the customer (lolwtfbbqwaffles?!?!?! Implying perhaps different ratios between hi spec and low spec or different gear ratios/final drives for different markets). The other option is a torque converter automatic exactly the same as mounted in the IS F." So it sounds promising if the final version is similar or a modified version of the IS-F. As stated by madfast, its most likely a modified version of the IS though, but some of the ones that drove the automatic Subaru enjoyed it. |
||
11-12-2011, 12:58 PM | #526 | |
Site Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Too bad you are too far away to come to the ITR Expo Although we used to have a brit fly over every year for a couple of years :P Deslock: I drove the ITR for a few hours yesterday to a wedding, it's not harsh at all, man up
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles |
|
11-12-2011, 01:01 PM | #527 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: 2010 Evo X MR-T
Location: NY
Posts: 942
Thanks: 0
Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
another thing is that both motor trend and C&D drove the AT version and both said it was good. BUT if it does have the ISF's 0.1 sec shifts and direct responses, dont you think they would talk more about it? or is that info embargoed? lastly, the Sport/Snow button has got me VERY intrigued. does it have to do with the AT shift mapping? or is it a general Sport/Snow mode that affects the throttle and EPS on both AT and MT cars? curiously, both interior pics from CAR and Autopista were cropped such that you are not able to see if the Sport/Snow button is equipped on the MT car that they tested. is it possible that you hit that Sport button and the car comes alive? like the vaunted M-button on BMW M cars? |
|
11-12-2011, 01:05 PM | #528 |
BOXER FR
Join Date: Oct 2011
Drives: WRB BRZ Limited
Location: irvine, ca
Posts: 752
Thanks: 393
Thanked 335 Times in 171 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
from my previous experiences of the snow/sport button on my dad's GS it seems to do NOTHING... maybe a bit of difference in throttle responce but very very minimal difference.
|
11-12-2011, 01:26 PM | #529 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: 2010 Evo X MR-T
Location: NY
Posts: 942
Thanks: 0
Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
i cant make out if the MT has this button from the brochure pics. however one clue is in the close up of the AT. you can see a bar dividing the Sport and Snow. so that button is perhaps actually 2 buttons on the AT. the Sport button is for the AT shift mapping, and the Snow button is for both the AT and MT. last but not least is the VSC OFF and VSC Sport buttons. some cars have it such that if you press the VSC OFF button, you simply turn off the TC or engine cut portion of the VSC. then if you hold the button down for 3+ sec you turn the VSC completely off. we know from the magazines that VSC can be completely turned off. so the question is what is VSC Sport? is it simply the same thing as TC off? or is it yet another mode somewhere in between? |
|
11-12-2011, 01:44 PM | #530 |
Rocket Surgeon
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: PSM GGA OMG
Location: FL
Posts: 1,312
Thanks: 10
Thanked 141 Times in 84 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
I suspect that "snow mode" softens up the throttle mapping, makes the traction control and stability control more aggressive, and perhaps changes the ABS calibration.
|
11-12-2011, 06:49 PM | #531 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: GT-86
Location: Northern hemisphere
Posts: 360
Thanks: 419
Thanked 102 Times in 69 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I have a toyota with the same "two" buttons. They are only found in the automatic version of the car "Snow" when pushed results in a more sluggish throttle response and maximum revs are limited "Sport" throttle response appears sharper and shifts more aggressive |
|
11-14-2011, 03:58 AM | #532 | |
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: Clio TCE
Location: Mantova - Italy
Posts: 494
Thanks: 17
Thanked 154 Times in 70 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Official FT-86 Specs / Info Thread | Hachiroku | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 203 | 09-09-2019 10:43 PM |
FT-86 / FR-S size dimensions compared to Genesis, Civic, Sction tC, etc | JDMinc | FR-S / BRZ vs.... | 559 | 05-15-2014 07:50 PM |
Engine technology thread. | Dimman | Engine, Exhaust, Transmission | 762 | 04-12-2012 02:18 PM |
Ducati 1199 Superquadro engine specs | RRnold | Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions | 9 | 11-21-2011 01:36 AM |
86 Drag car?!?! | MtnDrvr86 | Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions | 5 | 01-14-2010 06:35 PM |