New FR-S BRZ Technology Info! Engine specs, CoG, Drag Coefficient, Dimensions, etc.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by TrackDog

Does anybody know if the Manual transmission is directly shifted or with a linkage/hydraulics? You can't really tell from the pics.

-Joe

Señor Dog, I asked this question weeks ago. I don't think we have any firm info on it yet.

Would be cool if it were direct.





But since we now know that, in this "front-mid-engine" design, the engine on the FT-86 actually sits in the trunk of the car ahead of you, the tranny not might reach back far enough to go with anything other than a linkage set-up.

[blur]

Originally Posted by dalli

location: Bronx

I now understand how you fit 5 people in 2+ 2

( loool jk jk)

I fit 5 people in a toyota tercel b4 too.. was a nightmare

Lol everyone wants a ride down hurr

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Señor Dog, I asked this question weeks ago. I don't think we have any firm info on it yet.

Would be cool if it were direct.

But since we now know that, in this "front-mid-engine" design, the engine on the FT-86 actually sits in the trunk of the car ahead of you, the tranny not might reach back far enough to go with anything other than a linkage set-up.

Based on this picture it looks direct. You can see the little nub sticking out the back of the transmission

[maximumunicorn]

First of all, hello everyone! I figured it was about time to get started in the discussion.

With regards to weight distribution: In one of the leaked shots it was translated that they focused mainly on CoG since that it not nearly as easy to tune as the F/R weight distribution. This makes me think that they settled on 53/47 in order for the car to be more drivable for a wider range of customers. The fact that they mentioned changing F/R distribution at all probably means that they realize that it's not necessarily ideal for all applications. Seems to me that they're covering their bases.

As for the rear view mirror, we'll just have to wait and see. The mirror in my Legacy is huge (because it has the little digital direction display). In general I believe in the importance of simplicity and functionality, and the fact that they made this decision with the mirror makes me that much more confident about other decisions in the car that might be more important.

I look forward to seeing new information as it gets leaked!

[madfast]

Originally Posted by BobbyBalaz

OMG. That's SERIOUSLY fast for an Automatic!!
Any idea what 'Downshift spring control' means? ... Its on the most recent leaked spec sheet.

it probably means rev matching?

anyways the best case scenario for the AT is a 6 speed version of the ISF's tranny. more realistically it is a version of the IS 6AT, but hopefully they used some of the ISF tech to "sport" it up a bit. you expect smooth shifts in a lexus, but for this car? you can make it shift faster at the expense of smoothness and call it part of the driving experience that's what they did on the LF-A. they went with a single clutch auto-manual with intentional shift shock for the "experience"...

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

been there done that hahha

Yeah they needed a ride home, I was not gonna say no....You can't leave two fine ass women stranded on the side of the road.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by madfast

it probably means rev matching?

anyways the best case scenario for the AT is a 6 speed version of the ISF's tranny. more realistically it is a version of the IS 6AT, but hopefully they used some of the ISF tech to "sport" it up a bit. you expect smooth shifts in a lexus, but for this car? you can make it shift faster at the expense of smoothness and call it part of the driving experience that's what they did on the LF-A. they went with a single clutch auto-manual with intentional shift shock for the "experience"...

Yeah the LF-A transmission is totally awesome! They did a good job on it.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by skeeler

I can't believe this manual has the gaul to call this a front-midhsip design. The engine's center of mass is in front of the front axle. That may be a reasonable design trade-off for the low center of mass offered by the boxer engine, but it's absolutely not a front-mid layout.

On a related note,* I'm still concerned about the front struts, and I'm looking forward to seeing camber curves, or at least how much static camber can be achieved.

* This topic is related because the struts are necessitated by the width of the boxer engine.

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[val_lixembeau]

Originally Posted by Marrk

But since we now know that, in this "front-mid-engine" design, the engine on the FT-86 actually sits in the trunk of the car ahead of you, the tranny not might reach back far enough to go with anything other than a linkage set-up.

From the pics, I agree. The transmission doesn't seem to extend back quite far enough to be direct. But since Toyota seems to see the Mazda MX-5 and RX-8 as targets/competitors, it's hard to imagine them going to linkage. In a car that is supposedly all about driving pleasure and feel, I'd bet they want to hook everything up as direct as possible.

I wonder a lot more about what kind of power steering this is going to have...

[JoeJoseJoseph]

They have already told in the manual it's going to be an electronic power steering

[no_name]

Every time there's new info I get more excited. Thanks to Hachi and Aki!!!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Señor Dog, I asked this question weeks ago. I don't think we have any firm info on it yet.

Would be cool if it were direct.





But since we now know that, in this "front-mid-engine" design, the engine on the FT-86 actually sits in the trunk of the car ahead of you, the tranny not might reach back far enough to go with anything other than a linkage set-up.

Based on the pics it looks like it's going to be connected via the shaft that's sitting there above the trans. That's how AZ6 trans are done, with a box mounted to the trans behind that and then connected to that shaft. The shifter would be bolted/held in with a snap ring/whatever to that "box" and the end of the shifter would connect to an extension going to that shaft. The shaft will then rotate and move forward and backwards to select the gears.

[JoeJoseJoseph]

Originally Posted by no_name

Every time there's new info I get more excited. Thanks to Hachi and Aki!!!

My two cents on why they are painstakingly posting each page translated out of the manual and trying hard to keep the momentum for this car.. Maybe because a lot of effort put into a similar FR car( based on Aygo, a joined project with Peugeot-Citroën) went un noticed at the 2010 Tokyo Motor Show!

http://gazoo.com/racing/english/grmn...etail_frhh.asp

http://gazoo.com/racing/english/grmn/lineup/frhh.asp

I believe they got everything right this time!
Cheers to Akio Toyoda and TMC,
Cheers to Naruse, the head driver with a vision.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Actually, that's the picture I had in mind when I wrote that. It's far too obtuse of an angle and cropped too tight to make a conclusive statement regarding available space, especially under the engine. We have no idea how exactly they shaped the firewall, oil pan, or exhaust manifolds, let alone where the radiator actually is, and if it's on an angle like the Miata. That said, the picture makes it look like there's about a foot of space between the intake manifold and the firewall. I'd call that a ton of space.

Actually, because of the reverse intake manifold the view is distorted , but it looks like there is quite a bit less space behind the motor.

What I'm surprised about is how much space there is in FRONT of the motor, like a good foot or so and I don't even see the radiator in that photo meaning its pretty far forward.

That makes me think there is going to be much more room in front of the motor than behind it.



Look at how much room is normally behind the motor with Subaru's: