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GTB/ZR-1 · 05-28-2013, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

I don't. Cause I know better than to judge a car by how much the peak power is.

Oh, okay then--you're saying that having the choice between 2 equal handling cars with identical setups, you'd chose the car with less power to attack the track?

Not me... Lol

sw20kosh · 05-28-2013, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1

Oh, okay then--you're saying that having the choice between 2 equal handling cars with identical setups, you'd chose the car with less power to attack the track?

Not me... Lol

What I think he is getting at is that peak whp is only one part of the equation when considering a road course. Too many people benchmark their car's behavior/performance based on a peak whp #. That only maybe kinda works for the drag strip.

500 whp lag monster peaky turbo with 2k rpms of useable power

vs.

350 whp properly sized turbo with 4k rpms of useable power, decent throttle response etc.

GTB/ZR-1 · 05-28-2013, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

What I think he is getting at is that peak whp is only one part of the equation when considering a road course. Too many people benchmark their car's behavior/performance based on a peak whp #. That only maybe kinda works for the drag strip.

500 whp lag monster peaky turbo with 2k rpms of useable power

vs.

350 whp properly sized turbo with 4k rpms of useable power, decent throttle response etc.

Completely agree--dyno queens don't get the job done; but if you re-read my post, I stated tractable & proper power upgrades.

Having the choice between systems that fit the above criteria--I would choose the one with the most power. Sorry, should have qualified my statement.

SnapOv3st3r · 05-28-2013, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1

Oh, okay then--you're saying that having the choice between 2 equal handling cars with identical setups, you'd chose the car with less power to attack the track?

Not me... Lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

What I think he is getting at is that peak whp is only one part of the equation when considering a road course. Too many people benchmark their car's behavior/performance based on a peak whp #. That only maybe kinda works for the drag strip.

500 whp lag monster peaky turbo with 2k rpms of useable power

vs.

350 whp properly sized turbo with 4k rpms of useable power, decent throttle response etc.

Bingo...

SnapOv3st3r · 05-28-2013, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1

Completely agree--dyno queens don't get the job done; but if you re-read my post, I stated tractable & proper power upgrades.

Having the choice between systems that fit the above criteria--I would choose the one with the most power. Sorry, should have qualified my statement.

Power band still differs regardless if they have tractable & proper power upgrades. If they had the same tractability but different turbo setups, how the power comes in and the power under the curve > peak power. So, pick the most power if you want to, I'll be looking at how long the car can sustain peak power, not how much of it makes.

Peaky power band don't necessarily equate to a "dyno queen". 300whp peaky response isn't a dyno queen by any standard, but would still be difficult to power around a road course or worse and AutoX.

ptuning · 05-29-2013, 01:21 PM

Having big power with poor throttle response is definitely no good and having excellent throttle response with no power behind it is no better.

Customer's have a lot of choices out there. We want to cater to the ones who want the best all around driver's car that can be used for all forms of weekend motorsports or just putting around town.

There are few FI options that offer you over 180WTQ from 3K rpms to 8K rpms and over 200WTQ from 4K+ rpms to 8K rpms. This is a very wide and usable powerband and it is achieved at only 6.2 psi on 93 pump gas.

Remember that unless you have a trailer track queen, you'll only spend maybe a hundred miles at the track/autox/strip a year, the other 11,900 miles will be spent on the street. Just as long as you keep this in mind and choose wisely, you will not have buyer's remorse.

I'll probably get a lot of grief for saying this, but I honestly don't think that any amount of power that even a zero mile stock clutch can hold is very fast, even on this relatively light car. The fun starts at 300whp.

This is not to say that we can't run a 4 psi spring and maintain the stock clutch, it's just that the fun starts where the stock clutch starts slipping badly.

ecko04 · 06-01-2013, 10:12 AM

In for updates? Preorders? WMI, header, turbo kit pricing?

carbonBLUE · 06-01-2013, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptuning

Having big power with poor throttle response is definitely no good and having excellent throttle response with no power behind it is no better.

Customer's have a lot of choices out there. We want to cater to the ones who want the best all around driver's car that can be used for all forms of weekend motorsports or just putting around town.

There are few FI options that offer you over 180WTQ from 3K rpms to 8K rpms and over 200WTQ from 4K+ rpms to 8K rpms. This is a very wide and usable powerband and it is achieved at only 6.2 psi on 93 pump gas.

Remember that unless you have a trailer track queen, you'll only spend maybe a hundred miles at the track/autox/strip a year, the other 11,900 miles will be spent on the street. Just as long as you keep this in mind and choose wisely, you will not have buyer's remorse.

I'll probably get a lot of grief for saying this, but I honestly don't think that any amount of power that even a zero mile stock clutch can hold is very fast, even on this relatively light car. The fun starts at 300whp.

This is not to say that we can't run a 4 psi spring and maintain the stock clutch, it's just that the fun starts where the stock clutch starts slipping badly.

Thats like saying " you need to change your clutch and while you're at it, change your pants and bring extra shorts."

Rejor11 · 06-01-2013, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

What I think he is getting at is that peak whp is only one part of the equation when considering a road course. Too many people benchmark their car's behavior/performance based on a peak whp #. That only maybe kinda works for the drag strip.

500 whp lag monster peaky turbo with 2k rpms of useable power

vs.

350 whp properly sized turbo with 4k rpms of useable power, decent throttle response etc.

In the famous words of Ryosuke Takahashi...

"Sometimes you need to go slower in order to go faster."

ptuning · 06-03-2013, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecko04

In for updates? Preorders? WMI, header, turbo kit pricing?

We're working on the pre-order pricing information right now. Look for a link to the vendor classifieds very soon. Thanks!

ptuning · 06-03-2013, 03:10 PM

Please see the following commercial classified link for pre-order pricing information:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...260#post978260

kanundrum · 06-04-2013, 11:02 AM

Thanks for the Pricing Info!

kanundrum · 06-07-2013, 05:48 PM

Updated First Post

ptuning · 06-08-2013, 12:49 AM

We've received numerous PM's asking what's included in our optional fueling package.

We offer our fueling packages a la carte, selling you only what you need. If you have your own Ecutek license and cable, you will only need to purchase our upgraded MAP sensor and either our 550cc or 770cc injector package with Pnp clips.

We tune our turbo system via MAF/MAP(speed density) blending so we use the higher reading MAP sensor for this. In addition it also allows us to incorporate an over-boost fuel cut.

We have not found the need to mess with the stock fuel pump when running pump gas. Our 400whp 93 pump gas tune with 50/50 WMI was done with the stock fuel pump/assembly. Even without the contribution of the single nozzle injecting a 50% meth blend, we don't see a flow problem with the stock fuel pump on a pump gas tune. However, we can certainly sell you an upgraded fuel pump if you'd like.

We'll be developing our own fueling system in due time for those looking to run big power or E85.

06-01-2013, 10:12 AM	#469
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06-04-2013, 11:02 AM	#474
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06-07-2013, 05:48 PM	#475
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05-29-2013, 01:21 PM	#468
ptuning Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: White FR-S Location: Manassas, Virginia Posts: 537 Thanks: 272 Thanked 1,003 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 146 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Having big power with poor throttle response is definitely no good and having excellent throttle response with no power behind it is no better. Customer's have a lot of choices out there. We want to cater to the ones who want the best all around driver's car that can be used for all forms of weekend motorsports or just putting around town. There are few FI options that offer you over 180WTQ from 3K rpms to 8K rpms and over 200WTQ from 4K+ rpms to 8K rpms. This is a very wide and usable powerband and it is achieved at only 6.2 psi on 93 pump gas. Remember that unless you have a trailer track queen, you'll only spend maybe a hundred miles at the track/autox/strip a year, the other 11,900 miles will be spent on the street. Just as long as you keep this in mind and choose wisely, you will not have buyer's remorse. I'll probably get a lot of grief for saying this, but I honestly don't think that any amount of power that even a zero mile stock clutch can hold is very fast, even on this relatively light car. The fun starts at 300whp. This is not to say that we can't run a 4 psi spring and maintain the stock clutch, it's just that the fun starts where the stock clutch starts slipping badly.

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ptuning Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: White FR-S Location: Manassas, Virginia Posts: 537 Thanks: 272 Thanked 1,003 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 146 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Please see the following commercial classified link for pre-order pricing information: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...260#post978260

06-08-2013, 12:49 AM	#476
ptuning Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: White FR-S Location: Manassas, Virginia Posts: 537 Thanks: 272 Thanked 1,003 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 146 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	We've received numerous PM's asking what's included in our optional fueling package. We offer our fueling packages a la carte, selling you only what you need. If you have your own Ecutek license and cable, you will only need to purchase our upgraded MAP sensor and either our 550cc or 770cc injector package with Pnp clips. We tune our turbo system via MAF/MAP(speed density) blending so we use the higher reading MAP sensor for this. In addition it also allows us to incorporate an over-boost fuel cut. We have not found the need to mess with the stock fuel pump when running pump gas. Our 400whp 93 pump gas tune with 50/50 WMI was done with the stock fuel pump/assembly. Even without the contribution of the single nozzle injecting a 50% meth blend, we don't see a flow problem with the stock fuel pump on a pump gas tune. However, we can certainly sell you an upgraded fuel pump if you'd like. We'll be developing our own fueling system in due time for those looking to run big power or E85.

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