Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by clayrush

I think computer science and computer engineer are considered separate fields or disciplines. But are related?

From what you listed, one would be able to do chip design the other one won't so that's why I am not sure what he's on about.

[olorin]

I wouldn't get pedantic out the term "Computer Science Engineer", generally speaking CS is software, CE is hardware (not exclusively chip design). Any tuner is going to be doing a little bit of both.

The last 2 pages are kind of worthless. Both tuners are worthwhile, I have tunes from both and neither tune light years ahead of the other.

[DeliciousTuning]

I come bearing gifts! The first graph is a stock brz/frs. The second shows a brz/frs with stock 75mm pulley, intercooled, on 91 octane. This is comparing the CARB tune vs our 8.58 tune for the same setup. Enjoy! Also note we're able to start our pulls below 2000 to show how the vehicle responds at extremely low rpm and high loads.

Maha Dyno Chart Graphs (How To Analyze)
- Blue Lines - Wheel Horsepower (Real world horsepower)
- Red Lines - Horsepower Normalized (Similar to Dyno Jet)
- Orange Lines - Torque Normalized (Similar to Dyno Jet)
- Green Lines - Drag (Drivetrain power loss)
- Solid Lines - Current Tune we offer
- Dotted Lines - Tune for comparion purposes






Enjoy!

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[Calum]

Very basic math time. 201\136=1.478 1.478*165=243. So with a typical baseline of 165whp that the innovate stage 2 kit with 75mm running 91 octane would make ~243whp. I'm not sure where the graph is that shows the comparison of the carb tune and your 8.58?

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by Calum

Very basic math time. 201\136=1.478 1.478*165=243. So with a typical baseline of 165whp that the innovate stage 2 kit with 75mm running 91 octane would make ~243whp.

Yep. There's a dynojet sheet in this thread showing that: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ovate+shipping

Originally Posted by Calum

I'm not sure where the graph is that shows the comparison of the carb tune and your 8.58?

Maybe the dotted lines in that second graph...

[DeliciousTuning]

As stated directly in the post under the "How to read Maha Graphs", the dotted line references the CARB tune, and the solid line is 8.58. We also included the Maha's uncorrected reading, as well as it's corrected reading, which is the comparable to Dynojet number. If you're having any trouble understanding the graph, please re read the key in the post


Sincerely,


Zach
Delicious Tuning

[R2]

Originally Posted by sales@delicioustuning.com

As stated directly in the post under the "How to read Maha Graphs", the dotted line references the CARB tune, and the solid line is 8.58. We also included the Maha's uncorrected reading, as well as it's corrected reading, which is the comparable to Dynojet number. If you're having any trouble understanding the graph, please re read the key in the post


Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

Has the CARB tune changed at all since the initial release? That torque curve looks much different(worse) than what your dyno chart shows above.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by R2

Has the CARB tune changed at all since the initial release? That torque curve looks much different(worse) than what your dyno chart shows above.

Well it depends on how you look at the curve and also is dependent on the dyno being used. While the dyno being used is importnet we also have a couple other points to bring up with respect to the tune and dyno charts.

We would like to point out our dyno pull started at 1500 RPM, and I am pretty sure you will not find another dyno chart anywhere with the Innovate tune starting at 1500 RPM's. Being this low of an RPM, will have a large impact on the torque as you can see in the dyno chart. We do know that the automatic guys drive their vehicles in this range a LOT and we wanted to test this area to show it is possible to make more torque over stock even at 1500 RPM with this kit. While we also wanted to show it is smooth even if you were in 6th gear and needed to floor it, so you would feel a pull like a stock vehicle.

Now also note different dyno's will measure differently and that is why it is important to show a before after results on the same dyno along with a stock baseline comparison. The way the loads are ramped up on each particular dyno will have a massive affect on the torque values shown and how they are measured. Because of this it makes it hard to duplicate the torque on a Maha dyno to say a Dynojet for instance, which are two totally different styles of dynos.

The CARB tune that Innovate Motorsports offers has not changed since it was released and can not be changed because it is the CARB approved tune. So it will be like that forever, unless retested with the new tune.

Now as far as what is shown, the dotted line (- - -) is the CARB tune which is labeled 8.1 for our own records. The solid line (____) is our new 8.58 tune we currently offer. As you can see in the dyno charts there is a fair amount of improvement across the board, especially on the top end. And to go along with the tune is the MPG increase over the CARB tune. We have spent a fair amount of time dialing in the fueling so we can obtain a much better fuel economy over the CARB tune. So far from the feedback we have received if you are cruising with the cruise control active at 65 mph most of our customer are getting near or at stock MPG. Now when you get on it, that is a different story. LOL

Hope this answers some questions.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[bakilman]

My kit is finally installed with a Delicious tune and 72.5mm pulley. Loving the difference so far. I believe I still have a little air in the intercooler plumbing and am looking for tips/tricks from anyone on how to completely purge the system of air. Thank you!

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Sellout

Yep. There's a dynojet sheet in this thread showing that: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ovate+shipping



Maybe the dotted lines in that second graph...

I was looking at it on my phone. I didn't see/notice the dotted line.

[DeliciousTuning]

Here is a little more info to soak in. We have a back to back test of the 75mm pulley versus a 70mm pulley and the exact same Stage 2 8.58 tune we offer. No additional tuning required.



Green - Baseline Stock Vehicle, after about 3 pulls to get the ECU to learn to add power.
Blue - 75mm pulley with the 8.58 tune
Red - 70mm pulley with the same 8.58 tune

As you can see there is a power improvement across the entire power band, and we can see as much gains as much as 15 hp and 13 ft/lbs of torque. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade with no other upgrades needed. Porbably the cheapest upgrade you can do to make 15 horsepower.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[Powersfrs]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

We would like to point out our dyno pull started at 1500 RPM, and I am pretty sure you will not find another dyno chart anywhere with the Innovate tune starting at 1500 RPM's. Being this low of an RPM, will have a large impact on the torque as you can see in the dyno chart. We do know that the automatic guys drive their vehicles in this range a LOT and we wanted to test this area to show it is possible to make more torque over stock even at 1500 RPM with this kit. While we also wanted to show it is smooth even if you were in 6th gear and needed to floor it, so you would feel a pull like a stock vehicle.



Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Very true! It does make a lot more torque even down on the 1500 -2000 rpm range. There's no need for me to change down a gear to pass some one in 6th gear in the freeway and I'm auto e85 non intercool 75 pulley can't imagine with the intercooler n 70 pulley

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Powersfrs

Very true! It does make a lot more torque even down on the 1500 -2000 rpm range. There's no need for me to change down a gear to pass some one in 6th gear in the freeway and I'm auto non intercool 75 pulley can't imagine with the intercooler n 70 pulley

Then add E85 to that.

[CK_Bladesmith]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Then add E85 to that.

And a new clutch lmao.