Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 / Subaru with Aggressive Body & High Wing! + VIDEO!

[Leeky]

Originally Posted by Franisco

@Leeky
Any chance of you shipping the ST205 in a crate for me when you get your FT?

Sorry my friend but the ST205 will be retired to a garage in Germany as my Nurburgring weekend toy

Are there no ST205's where you are? US?

[Chokonen888]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I'll join the MkII fan club! lol
I think the only thing on the MkII I didn't like was the funny vents on the back and the weird looking spoiler, everything else was so nice. Don't know why people hate on it :shrug:

Really? I like the vents, all of them. My favorite are the intake ducts under the headlights in all the concepts but this thing running around in Germany seems to be lacking them....

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Leeky

Woah calm down there mate No need to get yourself all worked up and sweary.

Its just my honest opinion that the IS-F is vulgar. And yes the ST205 is ugly compared to the ST202 but i like it that way

And i actually do have lots of experience driving the E46 M3 and the 2nd gen RS4. I cant comment on the C63 as i havent driven it. But I had an IS-F for 36hrs as a loaner. In that time i put it properly through its paces. I cant help the fact that the IS-F genuinly was a diappointment for me. And i wanted to like it....but couldn't no matter how hard i tried.

And i dont know which car you've seen, but the IS-F i had was wearing what i can only describe as plastic exhaust tips - i inspected them very closely. But i stand corrected if i'm wrong. Regardless of material i still dont want fake tips on my car.

Didnt mean to rattle your cage there chap. Only a light bit of banter lol

my cage isn't rattled. Far from it actually. What aspects exactly didn't you like as opposed to the E46 and RS4, and what year IS F did you drive?


Not plastic

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Chokonen888

Really? I like the vents, all of them. My favorite are the intake ducts under the headlights in all the concepts but this thing running around in Germany seems to be lacking them....

I just don't like how they made the creases in the front and back where the vents are, it looks really strange. Side vents actually looked great but people don't like them


@Leeky the exhaust tips can't be plastic, I doubt there's any plastics which can withstand the heat from the exhaust when you're at full throttle. Besides that, what's so bad about adding a little piece of metal that adds virtually no cost and weight to make it look better? IS-F is supposed to be a luxury car afterall, it needs to look sophisticated.

[Dark]

They do look great, except fender vents, but they are not functional. That's the reason people don't like them. I do like them a lot, but not that friking fender vents. I really like the fender vents on Mk1 tho.

[Franisco]

Originally Posted by Leeky

Sorry my friend but the ST205 will be retired to a garage in Germany as my Nurburgring weekend toy

Are there no ST205's where you are? US?

Damn. No, we never got the 6th gen turbo awd.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dark

They do look great, except fender vents, but they are not functional. That's the reason people don't like them. I do like them a lot, but not that friking fender vents. I really like the fender vents on Mk1 tho.

I think they look like shit. One of the worse features of the MkII.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I think they look like shit. One of the worse features of the MkII.

Dude, don't be so offensive. I'm trying to put everything in a good way.

[LionZoo]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I think they look like shit. One of the worse features of the MkII.

As much as I don't care about looks, the fender vents are a travesty in my opinion. However, if the car weighs under 2500 pounds, Toyota can put Hello Kitty stickers on it for all I care.

[Leeky]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

my cage isn't rattled. Far from it actually. What aspects exactly didn't you like as opposed to the E46 and RS4, and what year IS F did you drive?

It was one of the first cars to land in the UK and i think it was a 2008 maybe? Too far back to remember for certain. But it would be whichever year the car first came out.

In its favor though I do remember a few things i really did like! The blips on the down changes Nice little touch indeed along with the 8 speed box and the Sat Nav/Reversing Camera which i also liked.

In the E46 i felt like i was in something very special. Very driver orientated and high quality with everything just where you need it. From the drivers seat i think the E46 M3 beats the RS4 and IS-F hands down. But then after buying the E46 i wouldn't go back to a BMW for love nor money. Interior aside, the rest of the cars build quality is shocking. I had endless issues with mine and there are things on it like the clutch delay valve which just drove me crazy. It just doesn't make any sense in ruining the feel of the clutch for the sake of a delay valve to stop people with no driving skill from breaking the clutch by poorly shifting. (Toyota - Dont you dare put a clutch delay valve on the FT86! lol)

The RS4 doesn't feel as special as the M3 but does give you that 4WD confidence to drive as fast as you can as you feel complimented by the car. A lot like the way an Impreza, Lancer Evo and GT4 makes you feel. But i went off Audi's as soon as i researched Quattro gearboxes and found out how weak they apparently are.

So with the Audi out of the running i chose the BMW over the Lexus. Which was a gamble as i had never owned a German car before and had owned two LS400's in the past which i liked a lot. This was mostly because the BMW overall drove better, cost less to buy and felt better from the drivers seat.

It was a bad decision though i'll admit. As i had more problems with the E46 than i had from my old 1988 Lotus Espirt! So much for German Engineering! Im back in a Japanese car now and intend to keep it like that lol

[serialk11r]

Wow you had an Esprit! That's cool

[Matador]

Originally Posted by LionZoo

As much as I don't care about looks, the fender vents are a travesty in my opinion. However, if the car weighs under 2500 pounds, Toyota can put Hello Kitty stickers on it for all I care.

and has at least 200hp, Agreed. Totally. Hello Kitty stickers and pokemon badges.

Originally Posted by Leeky

It was one of the first cars to land in the UK and i think it was a 2008 maybe? Too far back to remember for certain. But it would be whichever year the car first came out.

In its favor though I do remember a few things i really did like! The blips on the down changes Nice little touch indeed along with the 8 speed box and the Sat Nav/Reversing Camera which i also liked.

In the E46 i felt like i was in something very special. Very driver orientated and high quality with everything just where you need it. From the drivers seat i think the E46 M3 beats the RS4 and IS-F hands down. But then after buying the E46 i wouldn't go back to a BMW for love nor money. Interior aside, the rest of the cars build quality is shocking. I had endless issues with mine and there are things on it like the clutch delay valve which just drove me crazy. It just doesn't make any sense in ruining the feel of the clutch for the sake of a delay valve to stop people with no driving skill from breaking the clutch by poorly shifting. (Toyota - Dont you dare put a clutch delay valve on the FT86! lol)

The RS4 doesn't feel as special as the M3 but does give you that 4WD confidence to drive as fast as you can as you feel complimented by the car. A lot like the way an Impreza, Lancer Evo and GT4 makes you feel. But i went off Audi's as soon as i researched Quattro gearboxes and found out how weak they apparently are.

So with the Audi out of the running i chose the BMW over the Lexus. Which was a gamble as i had never owned a German car before and had owned two LS400's in the past which i liked a lot. This was mostly because the BMW overall drove better, cost less to buy and felt better from the drivers seat.

It was a bad decision though i'll admit. As i had more problems with the E46 than i had from my old 1988 Lotus Espirt! So much for German Engineering! Im back in a Japanese car now and intend to keep it like that lol

Thanks for the feedback. So theIS-F pretty much didn't feel special? Ok. Try get your hands on a 2011 spec. The car has been continually improved and now has a mechanical LSD and revised rear suspension. Guys that already liked the IS F as well as those who didn't sing it any praise see the 2011 as a far better car.

[Chokonen888]

Originally Posted by Dark

They do look great, except fender vents, but they are not functional. That's the reason people don't like them. I do like them a lot, but not that friking fender vents. I really like the fender vents on Mk1 tho.

Not functional from the factory, make em functional. Lower engine bay temps, and not worry about rain/dirt getting in. They line up with the details of the car and are not overdone.

[LionZoo]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

and has at least 200hp, Agreed. Totally. Hello Kitty stickers and pokemon badges.

I wouldn't mind "just" 180. Hell I'll take 150, but if they do that Toyota better make it less than 2400. I'm mainly looking for a car as close to the Elise as possible, but without the attendant Elise problems (rear toe-links, oil lines, rubbing fender liners, falling trim bits, etc.) and with a fixed roof from the factory. I don't need nor want big power.