is it ok to slip my clutch often in 2nd gear when my rpm is below 2k?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PNW FRS

Using a MT correctly is not an exact science... driving conditions will vary... engine performance may vary depending on ambient temps (e.g., when it's really hot... the poor Boxer is going to struggle a little...). And, you might sometimes find yourself needing to do something you know is inherently bad (or at least not recommended...) but necessary.

So, an open ended question of "slipping the clutch" is kind of like asking, "How long should I use my tongue when kissing?" Bottom line, you do what you feel is correct for the circumstance... and for the few times when you botch it.. and color outside the lines a bit... don't sweat it. That's why someone will sell you a new clutch somewhere down the long and winding road...

Perfect! I was just going to say something along these same lines except I was going to say "describe red without using another colour or any examples".
There are so many variables that to say "do this" or "don't do that" is almost impossible really.
Not to mention how hard it can be to put an action into a written format. I read back my first couple of replies and confused myself.

[Toyarzee]

The chatter people are describing can depend entirely on driving conditions. Could be vibrations in driveline and flywheel, or if the motor is about to stall you can more easily hear the valve train struggle. As most have noted, throttle for control, clutch feathering just for smooth transition and engagement. Friction based components were designed such that you will eventually replace it.

Nbd

[Teseo]

Just use the clutch for changing gears

[awhatzable]

Originally Posted by Toyarzee

The chatter people are describing can depend entirely on driving conditions. Could be vibrations in driveline and flywheel, or if the motor is about to stall you can more easily hear the valve train struggle. As most have noted, throttle for control, clutch feathering just for smooth transition and engagement. Friction based components were designed such that you will eventually replace it.

Nbd

could it be the driveline and flywheel making the noise in my car if it only happens when feathering it in 2nd gear at 1500-2000?

[awhatzable]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Just use the clutch for changing gears

Im in 2nd gear... and im not moving slow enough to down shift to 1st gear!!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Im in 2nd gear... and im not moving slow enough to down shift to 1st gear!!

You thought you were confused before? I think you are about to be totally baffled by the contradictory responses your poll will generate!

[Toyarzee]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

could it be the driveline and flywheel making the noise in my car if it only happens when feathering it in 2nd gear at 1500-2000?

Quite possibly along with some clutch components. I replaced a toyota 2rz motor's 25 lb. flywheel with a 11 lb billet aluminum one, and it chatters like a mo fugga below 3k rpms. No harm no foul tho, it's on the track bitch car.

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Im in 2nd gear... and im not moving slow enough to down shift to 1st gear!!

Take speed in 1st gear then shift neutral until you lost speed enough to use 1st again
Rinse repeat as needed.

[awhatzable]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Take speed in 1st gear then shift neutral until you lost speed enough to use 1st again
Rinse repeat as needed.

Sometimes I can't slow down to down shift to first because of traffic behind me and its unnecessary to slow all the way down ahead.. I can't be slowing down to first gear at every turn especially round abouts that I can just enter without the need to give way to anyone.


Does your car make noise from 1500-2000 in 2nd gear when feathering the gas ? If so, Do you drive it with the noise or do you slip your clutch ?

[keonigt]

What is your guys definition of slipping the clutch? And when does this normally happen in driving conditions?

And what is your technique on going third gear and coming on to a turn that needs to be taken at 12-18 MPH?

[awhatzable]

Originally Posted by keonigt

What is your guys definition of slipping the clutch? And when does this normally happen in driving conditions?

And what is your technique on going third gear and coming on to a turn that needs to be taken at 12-18 MPH?

Clutch in, hold gas while releasing clutch out.
I don't take 3rd gear in that speed. I'd be in 2nd and my technique to accelerate after rpm drops below 2k is to slip my clutch.

But now i'm starting to think its unnecessary because people are saying that the noise coming from the low rpm is normal and not damaging.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Clutch in, hold gas while releasing clutch out.
I don't take 3rd gear in that speed. I'd be in 2nd and my technique to accelerate after rpm drops below 2k is to slip my clutch.

But now i'm starting to think its unnecessary because people are saying that the noise coming from the low rpm is normal and not damaging.

The chattering/rattle is NOT perfectly ok. You are interpreting the engine's struggle correctly. It's universally bad technique and I'm surprised at some people's responses here.

Are you ruining your engine? Not exactly. Not right away, at least. I've become more comfortable operating at stupid low RPM because this engine still makes pretty good oil pressure down low.

So, what's happening? At low RPM the engine does not rotate smoothly. It's much worse when asking it for any real power. The little pulses feed into the transmission where, although only one pair of gears is coupled to the output shaft at any one time, they all rotate all the time. The rest of the gears all have a little backlash so they chatter.

I drive in shitty rush hour traffic every day. The first gear lockout is really aggressive. It is impossible to downshift into first above maybe 5 Km/h - walking speed.

So, what do we do?

1. In second gear, from 1000-2000 RPM, very gently ask the engine to accelerate. I'm comfortable with stomping on it above 2K.

2. Get into first but never force it. Especially if you are going uphill, get into first. Learn to double-clutch. Fuck the naysayers. Learn to double clutch.

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by awhatzable

Really ????? There must be something wrong with my nerve on my feet cause I feel like im feathering it as light as possible and theres still some sort of noise :S have to try again tomorrow.

...I still stall.


haha the workaround is using your fat toe to accelerate. Use top portion of your foot, then whole foot once you are going.

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

2. Get into first but never force it. Especially if you are going uphill, get into first. Learn to double-clutch. Fuck the naysayers. Learn to double clutch.

Double clutch wears your clutch quicker... 200k single clutching miles vs 76k double clutching or so on my Celi.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Double clutch wears your clutch quicker... 200k single clutching miles vs 76k double clutching or so on my Celi.

Bullshit. My firsthand evidence says otherwise. I'm 50. Not ragging on you but it must have something to do with your technique. It's possible to rev match into engagement so there's practically zero stress on the clutch.