So... where the hell is the FRS/BRZ in sanctioned racing?

[NOHOME]

I am not clear on why you thought this was a race car?



Race-cars are a rather miserable place to spend time, and not something that you want to use to commute to work or travel around doing your daily business. Women hate them.

Is it conceivable that Scion and Toyota gave us a car that maximizes the road driving experience at the (horror or horrors) expense of lap times! OMFG, how COULD THEY?! Forget the Ebola vaccine; the world is crying in desperation for another car that is only suited to go around a racetrack FLAT OUT so that people can admire their awesome skills.

I mean, just because 99.9% or buyers are going to drive it on the street.

[Caspeed]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

I am not clear on why you thought this was a race car?



Race-cars are a rather miserable place to spend time, and not something that you want to use to commute to work or travel around doing your daily business. Women hate them.

Is it conceivable that Scion and Toyota gave us a car that maximizes the road driving experience at the (horror or horrors) expense of lap times! OMFG, how COULD THEY?! Forget the Ebola vaccine; the world is crying in desperation for another car that is only suited to go around a racetrack FLAT OUT so that people can admire their awesome skills.

I mean, just because 99.9% or buyers are going to drive it on the street.

I agree with you. Just because people add FI or bigger tires to their Twin it does not make it a racecar!!! To me a racecar is purpose built for only one function racing. That is why modified production cars no matter how well modified are still not racecars. Even entry level racecars are usually faster than production based cars. Yes, you can find some exceptions. If you think you are a good driver go spend a few days driving formula cars at a good driver's school it will change your perspective on cars and driving... The majority of people on this forum have never even sat in a proper racecar, not to mention driving one. Road cars are by definition a compromise. Even highly modified ones.

[FLYFISHR]

Have you seen this?
http://www.toyota.co.nz/racing/toyot...pionship/news/

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by FLYFISHR

Have you seen this?
http://www.toyota.co.nz/racing/toyot...pionship/news/

That's just another 86 series. Japan has something similar. I want to see the 86 go head to head with our competitors like miatas and civics. Or even after the bigger dogs like mustangs and cameros.

[LucidMomentum]

Originally Posted by hmong337

That's just another 86 series. Japan has something similar. I want to see the 86 go head to head with our competitors like miatas and civics. Or even after the bigger dogs like mustangs and cameros.

Then keep an eye on Michele Abbate. She was racing against Lotus and such for her 3rd place finish in the last race, and she's got the funding for this year's events as well

http://m1cheleabbate.com/abbate-take...t-scca-majors/

Totally stoked to support her and get a neat shift knob out of it too. A friend got me the same knob for my birthday so I thought about retracting my part of the funding, but then I realized my friend could return his and I'll still have a conversation starter

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

Then keep an eye on Michele Abbate. She was racing against Lotus and such for her 3rd place finish in the last race, and she's got the funding for this year's events as well

http://m1cheleabbate.com/abbate-take...t-scca-majors/

Totally stoked to support her and get a neat shift knob out of it too. A friend got me the same knob for my birthday so I thought about retracting my part of the funding, but then I realized my friend could return his and I'll still have a conversation starter

Thank you sir! Exactly what I'm trying to search for. I'll be keeping a close eye on this.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by hmong337

That's just another 86 series. Japan has something similar. I want to see the 86 go head to head with our competitors like miatas and civics. Or even after the bigger dogs like mustangs and cameros.

How exactly is door to door racing going to make this a better car for the 99% of owners who don't race?

The driving experience of the FRS, in my mind, is contrived. I suspect that it actually FEELS better than it can ultimately deliver. It was not meant to be a racecar, it was meant to flatter our driving senses on a daily driver basis. Is this really such a bad thing?

Are there fatal flaws that would prevent the FRS from becoming a good racecar? Not sure; I do suspect that a lot of the drivetrain is designed to perform as expected, but not much more.

I believe that there a lots of other cars approach htis from the other direction: They come out of the factory with more of a "racecar tamed for the street" approach to the market that would be a better starting point if you want to be on the track. But I don't think they would make as engaing a DD as the Twins.

[hmong337]

And the kia optima, honda civic, and others were not meant to be racecars either. But they certainly turned them into some.

Look i'm not expecting the gt86 platform to win every race it enters. But what i am asking for is a racecar used for development purposes. One that will be able to find the inherent flaws of the engine and chassis.

Also... this is a racecar

[Rampage]

A Scion FR-S fielded by BrassMonkey racing ran the Continental Sports Car Challenge race at Mid-Ohio last year in the TC class. In the first race it finished 4th during a steady downpour. The second race was dry and it was obvious that the car was down on power compared to its competition. It finished 7th. My understanding was the engine was stock with just a tune and exhaust bolt ons. As far as I know. it has not run a race since but maybe that was a feeler for the 2015 season which is yet to start.

Toyota, Scion and TRD did run a sponsorship program last year for NASA and SCCA. There was an overall contingency for Toyota drivers for wins and 2nd place finishes and a special contingency for the FR-S. That covered national level club and pro racing. The Scion is in the T4 SCCA class for club and the TC or TCA class for pro.

Hopefully, someone will step up this year and go racing at the national level.

[totopo]

What makes a car competative in a race group is the rules and regulations it has to work in. I bet that engine is just not big enough to develop the hp necessary to be competative in the 2 door rwd classes it can race in. That's probably why it's more possible for amateur groups with lax regulations and a class system where it might get lucked into a class it is competative in.

You don't see many miatas in professional races either.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by totopo

What makes a car competative in a race group is the rules and regulations it has to work in. I bet that engine is just not big enough to develop the hp necessary to be competative in the 2 door rwd classes it can race in. That's probably why it's more possible for amateur groups with lax regulations and a class system where it might get lucked into a class it is competative in.

You don't see many Miatas in professional races either.

I don't disagree with you about class rules but the Miatas are competitive in both Pirelli World Challenge ST class and Continental Sports Car TC and TCA classes. In SCCA club racing they are competitive in in several classes including production, spec and touring.

Someone just needs to take the FR-S racing. As long as they stay in the class the car was built for they should be successful with a little development. TRD and Toyota could help but they chose to back Stout Racing in a class the Scion was ill suited for and the effort failed miserably.

[Rampage]

@hmong337

Ask and you shall receive!

Tony Rivera of BrassMonkey Racing has entered the Scion FR-S in the TCA class for the Pirelli World Challenge Circuit of the Americas races March 7th- 8th. The races will be televised on March 18th but you can watch them live on line.

See here for race schedule:http://www.world-challenge.com/image...-v6-021615.pdf

[Koa]

Originally Posted by totopo

What makes a car competative in a race group is the rules and regulations it has to work in. I bet that engine is just not big enough to develop the hp necessary to be competative in the 2 door rwd classes it can race in. That's probably why it's more possible for amateur groups with lax regulations and a class system where it might get lucked into a class it is competative in.

You don't see many miatas in professional races either.

competitive, yw

[Rampage]

I just noticed, while looking at the entry list for the race, that the FR-S is number..........wait for it......................

86