Why doesnt Toyota make its own motor for the FT-86??

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by cyde01

haha i recall you posting in club4ag that boxer "pancake motors have fartlike exhaust sounds."

i don't mean to offend any subie fans by posting that, i do realize that the ej is a very capable motor and it's advantages in this layout are well documented. but really, with all the development work that went into adding D-4S to the ej, you would think they could've done the same with the zz engine. i guess acquiring a stake in FHI and the short length/low center of gravity advantages were just too tempting?

I think this last comment is a good point. That sounds likely.

One negative about the boxer I will bring up that you guys won't like is that due to its layout, it's a bitch to work on.

[4agze]

I'm new so for starter I want to share my theory why toyota will use a flat 4 instead of making a new inline 4 or use in house or what they already have like the 2zzge or 3sge, first the 2zzge is now outdated maybe 2 or 3 years now the corolla XRS and matrix XRS will have a new or maybe hybride engine. 3sge is now discontinued. One thing made the original AE86 great was the price from its time that was reasonable, now its will be costly if they start from a blank sheet of paper this will drive the price up total cost of the whole car. by using the fuji heavy industry's engine and factory this will make the cost lower (thats what we all want right).

[1984]

Originally Posted by White Comet

I think this last comment is a good point. That sounds likely.

One negative about the boxer I will bring up that you guys won't like is that due to its layout, it's a bitch to work on.

Put an equal length header on a Subaru WRX/STI and it sounds like a Honda...okay not exactly but no more "Subaru" rumble. And yes they are a bitch to work on. Changing spark plugs is a test of patience.

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by 1984

Put an equal length header on a Subaru WRX/STI and it sounds like a Honda...okay not exactly but no more "Subaru" rumble. And yes they are a bitch to work on. Changing spark plugs is a test of patience.

Very true. Although they make more power with equal length headers, I'll take the rumbling sound produced by the unequal length rumble over a few extra ponies ANY day (and the power diff will really be small if the car isn't boosted)

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by 4agze

I'm new so for starter I want to share my theory why toyota will use a flat 4 instead of making a new inline 4 or use in house or what they already have like the 2zzge or 3sge, first the 2zzge is now outdated maybe 2 or 3 years now the corolla XRS and matrix XRS will have a new or maybe hybride engine. 3sge is now discontinued. One thing made the original AE86 great was the price from its time that was reasonable, now its will be costly if they start from a blank sheet of paper this will drive the price up total cost of the whole car. by using the fuji heavy industry's engine and factory this will make the cost lower (thats what we all want right).

This is true to some extent, but Tada (chief engineer of the project) already stated that the engine in this car was built from scratch, and is an engine being designed solely for this car. So don't think the cost factor holds any water anymore.

The only thing that makes sense is the lower center of gravity and its ability to sit further back in the engine bay, which also keeps the length of the car down (and thus weight).

@Cyde, I don't recall saying that. There's a more veteran member on club4ag with the name oldskewltoy, I think that might've been who you're thinking of.

[Shevon]

I dont like the way the wrx/STI motors sound with aftermarket exhaust. its sounds more like they sputter. VQ and the F20 motors are just pure sex

[cyde01]

you're not the same person?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by cyde01

you're not the same person?

Haha, no. I didn't know someone else had a similar name when I joined C4ag 6 years ago. Probably would've made something different.

My handle on Club4 is OIdskooltoys.

It was originally OldSkoolToys (just like this one) but something went wrong with the registration, so I had to redo it with an I.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Shevon

I dont like the way the wrx/STI motors sound with aftermarket exhaust. its sounds more like they sputter. VQ and the F20 motors are just pure sex

F20 motors do indeed sound like pure sex. To me its the 2 liter big brother of the 4A.

[Shevon]

A question...anyone familiar with initial d i remember the motor they put in after tak blew the original. anyone know if that motor is a real thing, if it is what motor was that thing.....sorry for the cartoon reference but i was born in the 80s and never got into cars till the mid 90s

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

F20 motors do indeed sound like pure sex.

yes!!!! i love my F22!!!!

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Shevon

A question...anyone familiar with initial d i remember the motor they put in after tak blew the original. anyone know if that motor is a real thing, if it is what motor was that thing.....sorry for the cartoon reference but i was born in the 80s and never got into cars till the mid 90s

Don't apologize to anyone for liking Initial D. Most people who bash the show are either just completely anti-anime or blame Initial D for ruining the AE86 or whatever (when its really just them hating a younger crowd getting into the car, because of an anime). The anime was created by a long-time drift/AE86 named Shuichi Shigeno, and was supervised by Tsuchiya himself. Even if you don't like anime, the show itself is rooted deeply by AE86 and drift fans.

ANYYYWHO, it was a 20valve variant (err, silvertop I guess) 4A-GE used in the Group A race cars in Japan. Don't even think about trying to get that engine. The fact that Takumi had it in his car is extremely laughable to begin with.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Shevon

A question...anyone familiar with initial d i remember the motor they put in after tak blew the original. anyone know if that motor is a real thing, if it is what motor was that thing.....sorry for the cartoon reference but i was born in the 80s and never got into cars till the mid 90s

Toyota 4A-GE 20 valve twin cam engine, which is used for Group A Division 2 Touring Class races in the Japanese Touring Car Championship.

Dang it, OldSkoolToys, you beat me to it

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Toyota 4A-GE 20 valve twin cam engine, which is used for Group A Division 2 Touring Class races in the Japanese Touring Car Championship.

Dang it, OldSkoolToys, you beat me to it

hehehe