Porsche Cayman S

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

On paper the Cayman is perfect (Mid-engined, perfect 50/50 weight balance, strong NA motor, great wheels&tires, awesome brakes, refined quiet interior) and expensive. Over twice the price. WAYYYY better resale value. Automatic superficial social status bump (for those who care)

Just a small correction - the new Caymans are actually balanced 46/54. The older ones were 45/55.

Overall I agree with your post though. The Caymans and Boxsters are incredibly good packages as a whole.

[stonenewt]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Mods have intrinsic value, that can be sold used to recoup some of the expenditure. I would say between 30-50% of the outlay..

As long as you don't sell the stock parts and can return the car to its original state, actually having the mods INCREASES the value of a less expensive modded car because you can turn around and sell those mods to someone else.

IOW, you can't just throw out the value of those parts assuming that anyone who sells the car will include the parts with the car even when it can DECREASE the value of the car as opposed to removing the mods and selling it as close to stock.

That's the main difference between tuning a car and paying someone else to tune it.

As a tuner, we can relatively easily and inexpensively remove the mods and sell them, increasing any resale value by being able to recoup some of the cost of the mods.

The only way it makes sense to sell stock parts like wheels, etc... is if you can't afford the mods without selling them, in which case, you wouldn't be able to afford a higher end car like a cayman s to begin with...

The other best thing about a car that is modded versus a more expensive starting car is that there is no immediate need for the ability to pay for mods like there is with a more expensive car...

You can keep the car and save up for a year to buy a supercharger or turbo kit... or save up for 3-6 months to buy coil overs...

With a more expensive car, you have to be able to afford the greater expense RIGHT NOW...

I don't get why a tuner would want to sell their car anyways...the point of making your own car, is to make your own car...

Jaden

Sometimes it's not about money it's about space. Off-site self-store storage locker + insurance for a fair few parts starts adding up to more value than the items being stored within a few years. I'm pushing the limits of the out house associated with my flat with two sets of wheels, a decent tool kit & 2 cycles.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Just a small correction - the new Caymans are actually balanced 46/54. The older ones were 45/55.

Noted!

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by stonenewt

Sometimes it's not about money it's about space. Off-site self-store storage locker + insurance for a fair few parts starts adding up to more value than the items being stored within a few years. I'm pushing the limits of the out house associated with my flat with two sets of wheels, a decent tool kit & 2 cycles.

I recently had to get a storage unit, because my garage was getting full...

9foot pool table and three lathes and other shop equipment take up a lot of space...

Jaden

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Mods have intrinsic value, that can be sold used to recoup some of the expenditure. I would say between 30-50% of the outlay..

As long as you don't sell the stock parts and can return the car to its original state, actually having the mods INCREASES the value of a less expensive modded car because you can turn around and sell those mods to someone else.

This is something that I forget about. When I mod a car I don’t keep the parts because I don’t have the storage space for them.

Originally Posted by Jaden

The only way it makes sense to sell stock parts like wheels, etc... is if you can't afford the mods without selling them, in which case, you wouldn't be able to afford a higher end car like a cayman s to begin with...

The other best thing about a car that is modded versus a more expensive starting car is that there is no immediate need for the ability to pay for mods like there is with a more expensive car...

You can keep the car and save up for a year to buy a supercharger or turbo kit... or save up for 3-6 months to buy coil overs...

With a more expensive car, you have to be able to afford the greater expense RIGHT NOW...

I don't get why a tuner would want to sell their car anyways...the point of making your own car, is to make your own car...

Jaden

^^^ This is a little more to the point, and then it’s not…

There’s a lot of people on this forum who have purchased the FR-S and then immediately spent the value of the car in mods (Rocket Bunny + custom paint + BBK’s + forged wheels + FI&Exhaust = $30k easy…)

I didn’t want another German car when I bought my FR-S. If I did I would have ended up being a Caymen or a BMW M Coupe with an S54 in it. The Japanese vibe is just different. The FT86 platform cars aren’t as well engineered or as strongly built as a BMW or a Porsche. They are also a lot lighter and honestly this car feels different than anything else I’ve driven. Miata’s are similar. Perhaps an RX-7 would feel the same way (the FD’s 2800lbs)

[stonenewt]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I recently had to get a storage unit, because my garage was getting full...

9foot pool table and three lathes and other shop equipment take up a lot of space...

Jaden

I duno what storage prices are for you but around here insured storage for a single garage sized unit is over £120pcm. Which is a set of high end 17" wheels with change over a year.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by stonenewt

I duno what storage prices are for you but around here insured storage for a single garage sized unit is over £120pcm. Which is a set of high end 17" wheels with change over a year.

it was mostly for an electric dryer and a bunch of clutter my wife had that has built up and was starting to take over my garage. I ordered a 12x36 gunsmithing lathe and needed the room. I also had a B52 half stack for my guitar and some stuff that was just taking up too much room..

It's only $59 a month for my space which is like 35 pounds sterling...

Jaden

[hypercarfanatic]

Originally Posted by Jaden

it was mostly for an electric dryer and a bunch of clutter my wife had that has built up and was starting to take over my garage. I ordered a 12x36 gunsmithing lathe and needed the room. I also had a B52 half stack for my guitar and some stuff that was just taking up too much room..

It's only $59 a month for my space which is like 35 pounds sterling...

Jaden

Sorry for butting in and taking this totally off topic, but gunsmithing lathe? Do you do gunsmithing work?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic

Sorry for butting in and taking this totally off topic, but gunsmithing lathe? Do you do gunsmithing work?

A gunsmithing lathe is just a metal lathe that's certified to be more accurate.

That's not the main reason I bought it. I make custom pool cues. I do prototyping for just about everything that I want to make and I do make some match grade barrels and stuff too.

Jaden

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

What's really interesting to me about the exercise is that you're actually ahead as long as you hold on to the car. My personal belief is that maintaining the Cayman will cost a small fortune (I wish someone who had one could chime in here). I'm not sure the difference would exceed $11k...

Mine hasn't been too bad so far, for what it's worth. Admittedly, I haven't had it that long though (1.5 years, 16k miles)...

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Mine hasn't been too bad so far, for what it's worth. Admittedly, I haven't had it that long though (1.5 years, 16k miles)...

What does the scheduled maintenance for a Cayman look like? Any hugely expensive services like MB and BMW require?

[chrisl]

None that are really bad. Here's the schedule for a 987. I also have been doing the more minor stuff myself though, and that helps a lot with the costs (shop labor rates at Porsche dealers are pretty crazy...)

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by chrisl

None that are really bad. Here's the schedule for a 987.1. I also have been doing the more minor stuff myself though, and that helps a lot with the costs (shop labor rates at Porsche dealers are pretty crazy...)

Are the spark plugs accessible from underneath the car? Also, do i understand correctly that there's a timing "belt" (not a chain)...

[chrisl]

I haven't done the spark plugs yet, but my understanding is that they aren't too hard. I might end up doing them this winter though, so I may get to find out soon. As for the timing, the Cayman has a timing chain.