200+ WHP Naturally Aspirated on 91 Octane

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by kombatlion

I will like to see the car do the 200whp on dynojet and that way we are not asuming that he have 200whp on dynojet even with your explanation that makes sense.

But solid inrefutable prouf need to be present here to claim 200whp on dynojet...we need to see a dynojet chart.

Hold on just a second while I pull a dynojet out of my back pocket In reality you're right, that would be ideal, however we don't always have time to drive back up to DSPORT to use their dynojet. That said, a baseline with Bill's BRZ on the same day at the same relative elevation between the two dynos being discussed is about as close as it gets without having a readily accessible Dynojet. This is a reliable way of measuring the percentage difference between dynanometer readings and is not in any way the same as saying "Well hey this Mustang reads super low"; more like "Hey this Mustang reads such and such percentage lower than a Dynojet and here's proof from the same day with the same car".

Hope that helps.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

And I'm not avoiding having the car run on a Dynojet at all, fact is our customer with this 200whp JDL setup doesn't have all the time in the world and probably wouldn't be too keen on driving 100 miles and paying for another dyno run to prove that perhaps, maybe, it would read + or - 2whp than what is calculated. It's just not realistic.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[n0thing]

I assume this is with an uncatted FP. How much whp will suffer with a catted FP?


Also, looking at this link, the first graph (1st Dyno was with a full exhaust system, ECU retune, and 91oct provided by our customer) only yielded ~180whp with pretty much the same setup. Why such a big difference?
http://jdlautodesign.net/shop/ft86-u...length-header/

[kombatlion]

Originally Posted by sales@delicioustuning.com

And I'm not avoiding having the car run on a Dynojet at all, fact is our customer with this 200whp JDL setup doesn't have all the time in the world and probably wouldn't be too keen on driving 100 miles and paying for another dyno run to prove that perhaps, maybe, it would read + or - 2whp than what is calculated. It's just not realistic.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

I understand tour theory, sounds rationale and all is just that claiming an achievement as good as 93 octane 200whp should come with irrefutable proft, I like you you guys have been working with this plataform since day 1, but is a big statement 200whp on 93... just will like to see it thats all. Even with the explanation and all.

[F1fletch]

I want to use a catted front pipe and catted header sooooo wonder how bad that will hurt me on hp with the tune. JDL's catted UEL is being tested now. Hope this and their exhaust actually make power. Stinks that the exhausts are just for sound and don't really help power

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by n0thing

I assume this is with an uncatted FP. How much whp will suffer with a catted FP?


Also, looking at this link, the first graph (1st Dyno was with a full exhaust system, ECU retune, and 91oct provided by our customer) only yielded ~180whp with pretty much the same setup. Why such a big difference?
http://jdlautodesign.net/shop/ft86-u...length-header/

That's not a particularly fair comparison considering that A it's a Maha and B it's an FA20Club tune if I'm reading the description correctly? I can't really comment on why a car with a different tuner's tune on a specific dyno I've never run on would read differently. :P

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by kombatlion

I understand tour theory, sounds rationale and all is just that claiming an achievement as good as 93 octane 200whp should come with irrefutable proft, I like you you guys have been working with this plataform since day 1, but is a big statement 200whp on 93... just will like to see it thats all. Even with the explanation and all.

91 Octane And I understand your concern, but hopefully you also understand that it's not everyday we get a customer in with the JDL setup on an NA car with our 91 tune and happen to have the time to find a Dynojet to send him to :P Perhaps we can dig through and find this customer but that's entirely up to him if he wants to go and do a couple passes to prove a point for us In the end it's up to you whether you want to take our word and the information we've provided with it or not. We thought it was noteworthy as it's by far the highest NA numbers we've had on our Mustang on 91. There was no intention of trying to start a debate or claim king of the hill status, just a milestone we are proud of and still looking to top.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[rs999]

If one were to go with your Stage 2 tune with headers, front pipe, and over pipe woudl the setup still be compatible if I were to upgrade to a Vortech Supercharger kit?

I figure they are since these exhaust components are separate from any front mounted supercharger kit.

Also, would the same 200 WHP on pump gas be achievable with JDL's equal length headers?

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by rs999

If one were to go with your Stage 2 tune with headers, front pipe, and over pipe woudl the setup still be compatible if I were to upgrade to a Vortech Supercharger kit?

I figure they are since these exhaust components are separate from any front mounted supercharger kit.

Also, would the same 200 WHP on pump gas be achievable with JDL's equal length headers?

You should be able to use the same exhaust components with the Vortech supercharger, I don't see why not. Of course the map will have to be changed compared to an NA map, but that's a given JDL's newest equal length header should by all means perform just as well as their unequal offering.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

[Food]

Originally Posted by kombatlion

I will like to see the car do the 200whp on dynojet and that way we are not asuming that he have 200whp on dynojet even with your explanation that makes sense.

But solid inrefutable prouf need to be present here to claim 200whp on dynojet...we need to see a dynojet chart.

Ditto. I would like to see it too. But it seems like it's been forever and we haven't seen any.

Currently, we're only depending on hearsay and also only that 1/single car's dyno example they provided in the op. No 3rd party tests/dynos yet. Actually there's one; but he only made around 165whp (uncorrected) on a dynojet on a supposedly hot day. Even with correction and and taking into account the hot day; this is still a far cry from the claimed 200whp on a dynojet. I am kinda doubting you really lose 30 NA whp from a hot day, or 10whp per additional 10deg hotter ambient temperature.

No excuses needed...just hard data and dyno sheets is all we want to see.

The Dyno does not lie

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Food

Ditto. I would like to see it too. But it seems like it's been forever and we haven't seen any.

Currently, we're only depending on hearsay and also only that 1/single car's dyno example they provided in the op. No 3rd party tests/dynos yet. Actually there's one; but he only made around 165whp (uncorrected) on a dynojet on a supposedly hot day. Even with correction and and taking into account the hot day; this is still a far cry from the claimed 200whp on a dynojet. I am kinda doubting you really lose 30 NA whp from a hot day, or 10whp per additional 10deg hotter ambient temperature.

No excuses needed...just hard data and dyno sheets is all we want to see.

The Dyno does not lie

I completely agree. Working on it on getting those results, but realize we work on a lot of projects every day and do not have the man power (namely me for the most part), not a Dynojet to show the numbers everyone wants to see. But we are working on getting those results for everyone.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Here is a dyno comparison between stock and our Delicious Stage 2 Tune. Please review the "P Norm" to compare it to a DynoJet numbers. As requested we are working on get the DynoJet numbers everyone is looking for.

As you can see in the dyno chart the baseline reads just about 179 for a stock BRZ on this dyno or about 137 in heart breaker mode.



Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

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Just a little behind the scenes on our testing procedures.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[Yui-Chan]

Interesting tune and thread.

172whp on your particular Mustang is actually quite impressive, given that baseline bone stock 86's are putting out 149-153whp on your dyno. And especially given the fact that a $5k JRSC CARB kit is only putting out 207whp on your dyno.

I think everyone that is looking for Dynojet dyno results, should instead look at the calculated crank/flywheel Hp based on the stock baseline numbers. If you did, the result will always give you a much better dyno result to compare different parts and tunes to each other, regardless of which dyno you're using.

Ex:

200bhp / baseline mustang/dynojet/maha = xxx * new same mustang/dynojet/maha result = new flywheelHp.

200bhp / 149MustangHp = 1.34 * the new 172MustangHp = 231bhp

231flywheelHp, based on the stock baseline run, will be the same regardless of which dyno you are using (maha, mustang, dynojet).


The stock baseline run really is the key, and should be the great equalizer


ps:
from what I have read.. 230bhp is pretty much "200whp on Dynojet" ..conclusion...who cares if it's "200whp on Dynojet" lol ....just aim for 230bhp and above