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01-19-2014, 10:17 PM | #29 |
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I have no idea about fatoni's claims, but a simple google of fastest miata buttonwillow shows up this video at 1:54. No idea if its actually the fastest or what the details are as I haven't watched it past the first 2 seconds:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzIh67OSROQ"]1:54 lap Buttonwillow 13CW Miata - YouTube[/ame] |
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Fun to drive is subjective, but in my experience (and I've had the chance to drive a stock NC Miata quite often), in stock trim the FR-S is more fun at the track (or anytime pushed above 7/10ths) due to a suspension with much better body control. Modded vs. modded is anyone's game.
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I'm also sure that 270hp Goodwin on slicks running a sub minute horse thief isn't on stock suspension or unmodded chassis either but I digress. Personally, I don't consider the FRS my 'fast' car and it was NOT purchased to be. I got sick of my 3500lb AWD turbo for my DD style and preferences. Just too boring. FRS is what I use for MPG and hauling stuff at the minimum amount of handling and braking performance I expect in a DD. That's it. However, the high speed stability, aero efficiency and high cornering speeds have been superb. Performance wise nothing in the same price does as well in those areas either without the other combination of factors the FRS does well. The amount of high speed I can sustain on both on and off ramps with a composed yawn is phenomenal for the price. Slices through air like butter and feels planted like a fan car (a little hyperbole there). It doesn't even break a sweat. Plus with only two chassis mods, it feels more solid than any German car I've driven. Taut and tight like a billet slug. For the price it's a pretty cool car. I did have the Alfa 4C in my sights but as the word has come that the US model will push 2450-2650lbs I have said no effing way to that. That was going to be my next MR, probably just do a Mono instead. Last edited by Boxer486; 01-19-2014 at 10:57 PM. |
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Google search for the video. I am sure it is still out there.
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Should have compared an Elise or Exige instead of the 86. Sorry, but neither a new Cayman nor a new Alfa 4c belongs in any mashup with an 86 variant... they're just not in the same category of car. I'd have been way more interested to see how they'd compare the Alfa to a Lotus, since they're obviously similar cars in many respects (although my toy car money would definitely go in the British direction).
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That's the same crew that also got 1 sec less on SoW w/ the BRZ compared to the V6 Stang. Then when comparing the Fiesta ST they admitted to having been faster than the V6 Stang using the FRS. Go figure. None of these tests are definitive at revealing anything except pandering to youtube hits. If you look at slalom times and skidpad #'s, better tires do show quite obviously on the ZN6 platform massive improvement. It just needs power to use it. Without the power, it can't generate the speed to push the tires and chassis. |
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Im excited to see a 4c on the street.
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i just find it a bit strange that people cant accept the car for what it is. |
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What irks me is the Tire Rack/MT experiment where they put Michelin PSS on the Stang which weigh the same as the stock Primacy, yet put RE11A on the BRZ which is 4lbs/corner more. They gave the car w/ less cylinders and torque 16lbs more rotational mass than the other. And 5 different rims? I mean come on. And what's wrong w/ using Buttonwillow? Less elevation change and more speed. Btw, it did improve even w/ the heavier tires more than the BMW so it didn't see the least gain as you said. I'm pretty happy that a new set of wheels and street tires can take a stock BRZ/FRS to 71.2mph and 0.96g. Those are very good numbers that are useful and noticeable on the street, and comparable to some much more expensive cars on RnT's data logs. If that's not translating into better track times than I expect, find out where the actual problem is. Anyone expecting slicks on a BRZ/FRS w/ 150lbft @ 2750lbs to pick up 10-15 secs a lap w/o doing anything else is obviously misguided. Cars are complete systems and everything needs to be balanced together. Last edited by Boxer486; 01-20-2014 at 01:43 AM. |
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Old video, but a good one talking about the difference between tires. Shaving 2+ seconds off your lap time in this case from a tire swap only is a good thing in my book! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_IWa_qlt3g"]2013 Scion FR-S - YouTube[/ame] Last edited by suaveflooder; 01-20-2014 at 02:25 AM. |
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSqWD5BSeoY"]Testing Tires with Subaru BRZ, Ford Mustang & BMW 328i! The Downshift Ep. 65 - YouTube[/ame] I would be interested to see times if they rant the same tires for each step on all three cars, finishing with the PSS on all the cars. |
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