Interesting snippet from Car And Driver Mag - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

utekineir · 12-07-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by calmtigers

I really don't understand what people expect for 25K in a vehicle...

Nothing much, just cutting edge features, marquee brand luxury, hot rod performance, lotus handling and Prius mpg.

Seems reasonable long as they they don't expect roadmaster cargo volume.

PNW FRS · 12-07-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alain

Im sorry i couldnt pass that first word. What???

I believe a weak attempt to play off of the 80's game show (Gong Show) where contestants that didn't measure up got "Gonged". (Like today's "X-X-X" of shows like AGT.)

It's writing like this that keep my magazine subscription $$ going to other magazines. C&D is more irrelevant every year... (IMHO).

pcporo · 12-07-2013, 07:28 PM

just seems strange that 25K is considered cheap now

fatoni · 12-07-2013, 08:31 PM

that article isnt even that negative. its amazing how few will even bat an eyelash when someone compares it to a ferrari. then when they say that its average outside of its handling people have a fit.

Tromatic · 12-07-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

that article isnt even that negative. its amazing how few will even bat an eyelash when someone compares it to a ferrari. then when they say that its average outside of its handling people have a fit.

Because it IS average all of a sudden? "Averageness" was oddly missing from all the reviews. The cool kids are moving on to newer toys.

Ralph Spoilsport · 12-07-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Suberman

Subaru needs to fix the chassis so it handles properly. Otherwise, it will soon sell out to those of us willing to put up with the squirming under power. The market for fans of early 911 style handling gets saturated pretty quickly. I'm already getting bored with the juvenile handling of my BRZ.

Bad day, Suberman?

subwaynm · 12-07-2013, 09:02 PM

Awe Gees Fellas CD has no clue really; there just trying to sell mags for a dying publication.
LOL. Cut em some slack :-D

Mikem53 · 12-07-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FirestormFRS

I see nothing wrong with what they said. Blinded by the handling they couldn't see how average everything else is. Pretty damn accurate if you ask me.

But they took it out of context, sort of by not relating it to the designed simplicity of the car, which makes the car! This car is not bloated with options, fluff and filled full of buttons and covered with cow ass
on every surface. It's purpose built to be a sports car and not just another corolla with hard shocks. Now they're complaining about that? Really.. This affordable package.. Look at the next step up RWD performance car and compare the price.. They should be praising the OEM instead. So it's just another opinion of a columnist having to fill voids in a magazine trying to stay afloat.. I respect many of their views and testing procedures.. But this is just useless complaining.

Frstorm · 12-07-2013, 09:32 PM

PC- completely agreed. Plus coming from a 2009 tc it has alot more options than that had.

MmmHamSandwich · 12-07-2013, 09:45 PM

"They should have allocated more money in the features and creature comforts and less in the drivetrain and chassis!"- Said no 86 driver ever.

Jegan_V · 12-07-2013, 10:34 PM

The only review that truly matters...the one done by yourself. I firmly believe in test driving any car you plan to buy, if the car fails your test drive expectations its no good, if it passed you're probably ready to buy it then.

shellslinger · 12-07-2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport

Bad day, Suberman?

I found his ID

calmtigers · 12-08-2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pcporo

just seems strange that 25K is considered cheap now

Not saying it's cheap, but I am saying that it's inexpensive for what you get. If you really think about it, the lowest tier car Toyota sells is the corolla. The range of this car is between 17-21(ish for non-xrs versions).

Now think about for 4K more you move from a super basic econobox to a "sports" car.

Now people always forget that quality always costs money.
Toyota made a reliable (decently), well made with decent material (not saying perfect, though i challenge you to find a perfect car), and ****FUN*** car at 25K.

I say they did a pretty good job.

pcporo · 12-08-2013, 01:02 AM

yes, compared to any other new car you are absolutely right.

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