BMW M4 & No Manual

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

It's more of a subjective thing, but it's one you can easily feel when you sit in nicer car. Not just a BMW. I guess I just miss that part. I'll keep the BRZ as a weekend car to enjoy, but as a DD, that I spend hours each day in, I'd prefer something with a bit more luxury along with the sport.

That's you then...

My mother has a lexus GS350, and it's very "luxurious" (wood panels, leather, touch screen) and hate being in that car...

Both cars have:
Soft touch dash
Dual climate control
Touch screen radio (better on the FR-S since the climate control isn't part of the goddamned touch screen)
Aux in
Ipod in
Bluetooth


Lexus over FR-S:
Leather
Fake wood panels (lol)


And as far as DD goes, the FR-S is a much better DD than the M3... I'm sorry... but a 2 hour drive will leave you thrashed in the M3... whereas the FR-S has a much more subtle and comfortable ride.


I will tell you that between a Mustang and a BMW the difference is night and day.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas

There is something to be said for the spirit of driving. When all you're doing is turning a wheel and giving gas/brakes, it feels like you're racing in an arcade game. Even if it is faster.

Originally Posted by SigmaHyperion

One would think that on a forum for a vehicle known for its driving dynamics far more than its speed, that one wouldn't need to explain why it's not all about speed when it comes to which is the 'better' transmission.

I bought my BRZ manual because generally manuals take better power modification. The auto appears to be pretty good in our cars so if in a few years they are shown to be able to handle increased output reliably I would gladly trade mine for one.

For me the driving experience is about getting a car to its limits around corners, braking at the right spot and putting the power down at the right moment. My stick shift driving ability, and I'm sure many others, could never best a computer when it comes to those areas (mainly because of heel toe im bad at).

But regardless I do enjoy shifting my gears everyday right now but driving a good higher end sports car auto would take nothing away from my enjoyment of driving a sports car.

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

That's you then...

My mother has a lexus GS350, and it's very "luxurious" (wood panels, leather, touch screen) and hate being in that car...

Both cars have:
Soft touch dash
Dual climate control
Touch screen radio (better on the FR-S since the climate control isn't part of the goddamned touch screen)
Aux in
Ipod in
Bluetooth


Lexus over FR-S:
Leather
Fake wood panels (lol)


And as far as DD goes, the FR-S is a much better DD than the M3... I'm sorry... but a 2 hour drive will leave you thrashed in the M3... whereas the FR-S has a much more subtle and comfortable ride.


I will tell you that between a Mustang and a BMW the difference is night and day.

I'll agree that the M3 had a pretty rough ride, but why in the world would you bring your mom's GS into this? I was referring to cars like the Cayman, M3 and the new M4. Not luxury cars.

I guess what I'm referring to is the overall build quality and craftsmanship of the cars . Honestly, the BRZ does the job, but it sure isn't my definition of sports luxury. But again, to each their own.

[RRnold]

Damn that thing looks nice, even with the Grey Poupon Dijon mustard yellow paint.

After seeing my buddy Khoa from khoalty.com countless issues with his past M3's, I wonder how this M4 will pan out.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

I'll agree that the M3 had a pretty rough ride, but why in the world would you bring your mom's GS into this? I was referring to cars like the Cayman, M3 and the new M4. Not luxury cars.

I guess what I'm referring to is the overall build quality and craftsmanship of the cars . Honestly, the BRZ does the job, but it sure isn't my definition of sports luxury. But again, to each their own.

You still haven't defined what makes the BMW luxurious over the BRZ or FR-S... I've driven plenty of BMW's and I feel right at home driving the FR-S

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

LOL I see my car still sucks.

The most interesting part of this equation probably will be the new Mustang next year. Rumors of 400 lb weight loss and being reduced by ~15" in length, and we all know it's getting IRS and will keep the 5.0 V8.

So M3 performance for ~30-35 grand? Again? Can't really lose with that one, now can you.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

The most interesting part of this equation probably will be the new Mustang next year. Rumors of 400 lb weight loss and being reduced by ~15" in length, and we all know it's getting IRS and will keep the 5.0 V8.

So M3 performance for ~30-35 grand? Again? Can't really lose with that one, now can you.

If they do make it IRS, I may consider it as an option...

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Aside from the missing leather... what's nicer in a BMW? I honestly can't find one single thing I would put into my FR-S...

Hah! You ever owned a luxury car? There IS a difference. Just not what I want right now. Maybe not ever again.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Hah! You ever owned a luxury car? There IS a difference. Just not what I want right now. Maybe not ever again.

2002 BMW E39 530i (mine), 2011 BMW E93 M3 (my father's, but I drive it more than him), 2008 Lexus GS350 (my mother's)

[OrbitalEllipses]

It's the minutia and impalpable things that make a luxury car a luxury car. The heavy thunk when you close the door, the absence of wind noise, less road noise, cool little gidgets and gadgets that spoil you like the ventilated seating and heated steering wheel.

The twins (high spec GT86 and BRZ Limited) have many of the things you'd find a luxury car, but not executed to the level of a luxury car. What do you want at $30K OTD? In any case, it's kind of obnoxious that you can't really find many good sports cars that aren't also luxury cars or executive/businessman cars. The BRZ does well in regard; BMW...well, they're not so sporty outside of their muscle cars (///M) and their muscle cars are quite luxurious as well. Thankfully, those who pine after and enjoy Euro cars can easily afford them after a few years of depreciation.

[ZDan]

I like getting into and driving Spartan sports cars more than luxobarges, personally. BMW should make luxobarges, of course, but they should also make at least one smaller, lighter-weight sporty car as well. I hope they build something more like the 2002, or even the E30 again sometime. Even if the new M3/M4 are 3300 lb., that's still way too Buick-like for me. Hopefully they'll learn something from Toyobaru and develop something more minimalist, but I'm not holding my breath...

[86•BRZ]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I like getting into and driving Spartan sports cars more than luxobarges, personally. BMW should make luxobarges, of course, but they should also make at least one smaller, lighter-weight sporty car as well. I hope they build something more like the 2002, or even the E30 again sometime. Even if the new M3/M4 are 3300 lb., that's still way too Buick-like for me. Hopefully they'll learn something from Toyobaru and develop something more minimalist, but I'm not holding my breath...

People forget that the e30 was jammed packed with every luxury available the time. It just happens to be light because it was small and there wasn't that many "luxuries" in the day!

[The359]

And that's just an ugly car. Sorry, too many body lines, the side vent looks like something tacked on by a 5 year old, the grill on the 3/4-series has been awkward for this generation, the whole air damn is a mess, and which genius thought it was a good idea to put that big crease for the front of the hood right above the badge instead of down by the grill where it belongs?

BMW has completely lost their presence with styling.

[Levi]

It does have manual, DCT is option. Next generation M3/M4 might not have manual and next generation 911 will not have manual.