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View Poll Results: How long do you plan on keeping your FR-S ?
36k miles 5 3.23%
60k miles 11 7.10%
Till they come out with a 250+hp engine 18 11.61%
To the grave 121 78.06%
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:45 AM   #29
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The FRS is an in-between car for me until used C7 Vettes hit the used car market...I sold my C6 and bought this car a few months after because my commuter car (Chevy Volt) was boring me to death. That was the plan but...So far I'm regretting selling my C6 and looking to sell my FRS soon to get back into a used C6 because as fun as this car is it doesn't come close compared to my C6...
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:57 AM   #30
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The FRS is an in-between car for me until used C7 Vettes hit the used car market...I sold my C6 and bought this car a few months after because my commuter car (Chevy Volt) was boring me to death. That was the plan but...So far I'm regretting selling my C6 and looking to sell my FRS soon to get back into a used C6 because as fun as this car is it doesn't come close compared to my C6...
I am a huge vette fan and I owned a c6. As much as I loved the vette they take a lot to track prep and the purist always frown on you for trying to make one a race car. I'm not ruling another vette out in my future but I think a used viper might beat it out for me.

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You need the option of..

Until Nissan releases the new 240

Which rumor has it will be the 260 with a 2.6 250 HP I4 and 6 speed mt with LSD

But alas.. Just rumors
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:23 AM   #32
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I am a huge vette fan and I owned a c6. As much as I loved the vette they take a lot to track prep and the purist always frown on you for trying to make one a race car. I'm not ruling another vette out in my future but I think a used viper might beat it out for me.

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Yeah I've just been doing the math and the cost to get the FRS to the performance feel (not level) of my C6 I would be in used C6 GS or 06/07 Z06 range. I'd prefer a Viper too but insurance on a Vette 1/2 of the Viper...insurance on the Vette is the same as my FRS and I expect the FRS to cost more to insure in a year...I haven't decided so we'll see :happy0180:
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:39 AM   #33
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I cannot see myself ever getting rid of my FR-S... plan to keep it the rest of my life. I've been driving for over 18 years and have bought 5 vehicles in that time (including the FR-S), still own the '98 Tacoma I bought 12 years ago too... FR-S is definitely the most fun and best handling car I've ever had. I've had 2 cars setup for track, a '90 Integra RS (~2300lbs on 15x8 wheels with 225/45-15 DOT-R rubber, 8lb racing flywheel, and CoG lowered and weight distribution pushed more forwards with some custom fabrication mods - rotated the rear end around nicely) and a '98 Camaro RS (lightened to 3200lbs, koni sport dampers, 275/40-17 DOT-R tires mounted on 17x9.5 Z06 replica wheels all around, Hotchkis massive hollow ARB set, and rear suspension reworked with tubular arms and spherical bearings) - a stock FR-S other than sticky stock sized tires on lighter 17x8 wheels is better than both. I've never modded the motors in any vehicle I've owned, Intake and exhaust only to help with breathing. 90 RS might have had the best motor response and power delivery (would out-do the Camaro at the drag strip) and the Camaro the most impressive steady state cornering and braking (massive discs with track pads had fade free instant deceleration...lap after lap) but the FR-S is a whole package that just works unlike anything else I've driven...
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:24 AM   #34
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I got kids man. Check out the smile on her face. She isn't throwing a wrench, she's enjoying it.



In fact when my wife asks her how daddies car sounds she replies "vroom vroom!" I'm sure my boy will love it too. He's 6 months old. We have a new Escape to be the family vehicle.



I think I read your post wrong. Yeah no Porsche in my future until we get out of daycare. My god daycare. Talk about bringing a tear to my eye. So freaking expensive.
lol, cute kid! I fully plan on trying to keep the car for awhile. We have two, two door cars. When we have a kid, we'll need to get at least one four door, so we shall see.

And I do want a porsche asap! Always been one of my favorite cars.
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:57 AM   #35
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Yep, we are in an era similar to the late sixties where horsepower and torque were plentiful but just like back then the muscle cars were really just family sedan chassis's with a big powerful engines. Back then at least the pony cars had a fairly lighter weight chassis but those cars still didn't handle all that great. The last decade has been similar but the pony cars (mustang, Camaro, challenger, genesis) weigh more than a 4 door 69 impala. Then we have a few hot hatch's but again the chassis is really based on an econo box and you just can't undo that.

This car is unique in having a ground up new chassis designed sports car. It has plenty power for daily driving relatively speaking looking at he last 50 years of the auto industry. The number one reason for buying this car is summed up in this picture:






Number two the torsen RWD differential.

The number three reason is the AISIN 6 speed manual tranny.


The biggest question that only time will tell is if the DI FA20 will turn out to have Wankel reliability. I think we are safe from having to pull the engine at 80k to replace headgaskets (the turbo guys are proving that.) There is the di injector concern but the D4-S technology is over 4 years mature so I'm not too worried about it

This car handles and drives a lot like the classic 944 Porsche and beyond "super cars" there isn't much better, the 86 is a keeper as long as the engine is as tough as the old Subaru boxers.
Thanks for posting this picture of the chassis. I had never seen it. It really is a thing of beauty.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:11 AM   #36
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Thanks for posting this picture of the chassis. I had never seen it. It really is a thing of beauty.

I think this light but stiff RWD chassis is what makes this car special and worth the $25k. Overtime the aftermarket will continue to improve power and suspension of any sporty car, but the chassis is what sets this car apart. Its a world class chassis. A keeper.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:30 AM   #37
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I honestly have no idea how long I plan to keep this car. I normally keep sports cars for 5 years at most. I want to keep it at least until it's paid off and then figure it out from there. I will probably have dumped about $20k in modifications into it by that time, so chances are I'll want to keep it at that point!
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To the grave at this point she's a keeper..!!
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. I will probably have dumped about $20k in modifications into it by that time, so chances are I'll want to keep it at that point!

I'm probably just going with a tune, catless header, the bigger radiator, and hopefully the rumored TRD Bilstein spring/strut. Really more than satisfied with the stock power other than the dip.

Its really obvious that this car was designed around German classics like the E30, 944S, and Cayman. But I'm not drinking the kool-aide going around that maintaining this engine will be much cheaper than maintaining a Porsche engine.

This high revving DI boxer is very much a foreign exotic power-plant. It will be very expensive to do simple things like valve work and head gaskets with this engine. But overall I guess the engine was the right choice, gives near MR balance and the low center of gravity without the quirky handling of a RR layout.
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Old 06-22-2013, 12:52 PM   #40
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Your poll is missing at least one option and that is: till the 2014's come out.

I've said a number of times 'so many cars, so little time'. Since I have less time than any one else on this forum (estimating) I have to get in as many cars as I can.
I too have a limited amount of time left (also estimating but considering my past lifestyle choices it may be less than my estimate) so I already have more cars than I really need including American muscle as well as a roadster for sunny days. I consider my FR-S as one more very special ride that I can enjoy in the time I have left. How long will I keep it? I really have no idea. For me, it's more complicated than just the car. I may never buy another new car in my lifetime or I may buy several depending on how long I live and what comes out and when. For now I'm very happy with what I have.

I'm one of the few who chose the 36K in the poll. Not because I might dump the FR-S early but because I don't have to daily drive anymore (nine years of retirement has been wonderful). I just don't see the miles adding up that quickly, especially when I split my pleasure driving with two other cars.

I agree this has been an enjoyable thread to read through and many of the posts are well thought out and from the heart. Very uplifting in many ways so thanks to all.
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The only concession I've made for resale value is that I've decided to keep mine as near to factory stock as possible. In then years, a stock FR-S will be hard to find amid the pack of riced-out junk.
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Yeah I've just been doing the math and the cost to get the FRS to the performance feel (not level) of my C6 I would be in used C6 GS or 06/07 Z06 range. I'd prefer a Viper too but insurance on a Vette 1/2 of the Viper...insurance on the Vette is the same as my FRS and I expect the FRS to cost more to insure in a year...I haven't decided so we'll see :happy0180:
If I got either one I would probably put hagerty on it and have it listed as a special use vehicle. This means it's your track car that's also registered for the street. It has a huge deductible but yearly is less than half the price. You have to have proof it's not your daily driver so a copy of your other car's registration. I did this on my old Camaro and it was like $108 a year to ensure it for $5000.

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