Sport Auto: Toyota 86/FR-S Nurburgring and Hockenheim Laptime and Performance Results

[muffinman]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Or perhaps they were inflammatory?

If you don't like the FR-S/BRZ/GT86 then why are you wasting your time here?

Every time the 'Ring comes up on this board, I've never seen someone say this car would crush it. Always it's pointed out that the 'Ring as a whole is a power track, which is where this car does not do well. However, when you consider it only makes 200hp, it does very well as every car faster than it either makes more power or is markedly lighter.

So the HHR is faster on the 'Ring. What does it matter? What is your point? And how does that add to the discussion? Or are you merely pointing it out in hope it will cause conflict? Consider why you're posting something before you hit that submit button, or you may find the mods removing more of your posts.

Frankly, I think the car did well. It pointed out just how much the stock tires were hamstringing the car when it came to lap times. And its final result was right where it should be when you look at the surrounding cars. It's cool to have some real world numbers that can be compared to other cars.

Frankly I don't think the car did well. In addition to the hhr ss, I think it should've done better than a volvo c30 t5 and a 03 focus st. What got to me is that my original post got deleted by a mod. This is an open forum and I didn't post anything vulgar. It came across as " if u don't think the frs is gods gift to earth, gtfo". I like the frs. Its still on my short list for future cars. When/ if I end up buying one, it still doesn't change the fact that those hatchbacks beat it around a track in germany.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by muffinman

Post that a car beat a frs in a straight line and I promise u someone will say oh well the frs would win on a racetrack. Post that a car beat a frs on a racetrack and people will say oh it wouldve won if it was on aftermarket tires. Post that a hhr ss beat it on a track with comparable tires, and it turns into " oh this car is about handling feel and fun anyway"

The irony being of course that you're the only person in this thread who's actually come in and said those things.

Not sure where you got all these preconceived notions about the GT86, like it "should beat" this car or that, or its owners "will say" this or that, but instead of judging the car and its owners based on your pre-conceived notions, how about just coming here and learning about the car?

[muffinman]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

The irony being of course that you're the only person in this thread who's actually come in and said those things.

Not sure where you got all these preconceived notions about the GT86, like it "should beat" this car or that, or its owners "will say" this or that, but instead of judging the car and its owners based on your pre-conceived notions, how about just coming here and learning about the car?

Not in this thread but u can def see it in the vs forum. I wanted to voice my opinion that a frs/brz built from the ground up entry level sports car should be able to beat certain cars. That original post was deleted why?

[autogyro]

Maybe it was doubling up with the topic started by Hachiroku which will be linked from the first page? I very much doubt there's any malice or agenda other than to consolidate discussion.

[xyr03]

Look like fun....

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

The irony being of course that you're the only person in this thread who's actually come in and said those things.

Not sure where you got all these preconceived notions about the GT86, like it "should beat" this car or that, or its owners "will say" this or that, but instead of judging the car and its owners based on your pre-conceived notions, how about just coming here and learning about the car?

Not to jump into this argument but he is right about the excuses. You need to actually visit more areas of this forum to find out what he means. I would still buy a BRZ/FRS regardless but I won't make any excuses about the overall performance. Some owners know the reality of the car.

[M1schiev0us]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Not to jump into this argument but he is right about the excuses. You need to actually visit more areas of this forum to find out what he means. I would still buy a BRZ/FRS regardless but I won't make any excuses about the overall performance. Some owners know the reality of the car.

When I say he's missed the point I mean he's ignoring that the car is about driver enjoyment, not the numbers. Look, I'm coming from my slightly modded IS350, I've driven my friend's 370z and another friend's M3, and I STILL had a blast testing this comparatively low powered car out, and I wasn't even going all that fast!

Sure, he's right that people make the "no it's not fast in a straight line but it'll kill ya in the corners" argument all the time. I also agree with what you said. The thing is, no one in this thread was being contentious or making excuses for it's performance (unless talking about how stickier tires would lower lap times counts) until he came in.

ANYWAY, back on topic. I'm actually pretty satisfied with the overall time. Like someone else said earlier, it's pretty close to an S2000 which has a 2-11 lb/ft torque and 37-40 hp advantage depending on generation. I've long considered an S2000 one of the best sports cars for the money, and I'm just excited that someone has finally started making a relatively affordable, lightweight, NA, sports car that comes this close to it again.

[LineNoise]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

Is a final score of 44/100 good or bad or what? Is there a list of what other cars got somewhere so we can have some apples to go with them apples?

The supertest scores (normally out of 70 so I'm not sure what's going on there) are an aggregate of rankings in the specific tests that make up the review.

The number is only useful for comparison in the same price and performance bracket and to really see the importance you'd need to look at the specific scores on the specific tests.

The 86 supertest isn't on the website yet but you could run http://www.sportauto.de/supertests-978719.html through Google translate to get a bit of an idea.

[350z]

Originally Posted by muffinman

Post that a car beat a frs in a straight line and I promise u someone will say oh well the frs would win on a racetrack. Post that a car beat a frs on a racetrack and people will say oh it wouldve won if it was on aftermarket tires. Post that a hhr ss beat it on a track with comparable tires, and it turns into " oh this car is about handling feel and fun anyway"

Lol ok now that was funny to me. Before you guys beat me up "I like the FRS" but those excuses are true though.

[russv]

Originally Posted by muffinman

Post that a car beat a frs in a straight line and I promise u someone will say oh well the frs would win on a racetrack. Post that a car beat a frs on a racetrack and people will say oh it wouldve won if it was on aftermarket tires. Post that a hhr ss beat it on a track with comparable tires, and it turns into " oh this car is about handling feel and fun anyway"

...and what is it that you drive that you omit from your avatar?

[NetMagi]

Originally Posted by muffinman

Frankly I don't think the car did well. In addition to the hhr ss, I think it should've done better than a volvo c30 t5 and a 03 focus st. What got to me is that my original post got deleted by a mod. This is an open forum and I didn't post anything vulgar. It came across as " if u don't think the frs is gods gift to earth, gtfo". I like the frs. Its still on my short list for future cars. When/ if I end up buying one, it still doesn't change the fact that those hatchbacks beat it around a track in germany.

If you're spreadsheet shopping, this car isn't for you. I bought a B8 S4 (350hp Audi AWD Sedan) brand new last year, and sold it 3 mo's later, partly because I spreadsheet shopped. .

I have the FR-S as my play car now, and it's far more fun to kick around in for less than half the money.

Go drive everything on your list. My biggest mistake was not driving an FR-S before I bought the S4, simply because none were avail at the time.

-Rich H.

[Kensurs]

Originally Posted by muffinman

Post that a car beat a frs in a straight line and I promise u someone will say oh well the frs would win on a racetrack. Post that a car beat a frs on a racetrack and people will say oh it wouldve won if it was on aftermarket tires. Post that a hhr ss beat it on a track with comparable tires, and it turns into " oh this car is about handling feel and fun anyway"

Have you ever seen an HHR?
Go ahead and beat me on a track, at least the 86 doesn't look like an oversized PT Cruiser.

[catharsis]

face palm to people who don't know how long the straight aways are on the nurburgring. Of course the twins won't shine there but they did respectable.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by muffinman

Post that a car beat a frs in a straight line and I promise u someone will say oh well the frs would win on a racetrack. Post that a car beat a frs on a racetrack and people will say oh it wouldve won if it was on aftermarket tires. Post that a hhr ss beat it on a track with comparable tires, and it turns into " oh this car is about handling feel and fun anyway"

Hes really right and you gotta be pretty blind not to notice that doesn't go on in this forum and overall in the internet for the FRS.