Rotary Extinction???

[ichitaka05]

Hm... interesting topic.

[Mouse]

I currently own and drive a yaris because of my financial situation....But I previously owned 3 miatas(2 Na's and 1 NC). The IS-F is garbage, I would personally spend some more and just get an M3.
I will give you the Civic/Integra in Touring Car races but that's it. To me Time Attack is not racing.
As far as the NSX.....has it done anything outside of the JGTC...I don't think so. I love the NSX and the fact that Ayrton Senna helped in the development of the car. Honda's pedigree comes from a car that is far from it's NSX cousin. The Civic.

The S2000 is a sports car not a touring car. Yes, they are both different things.

IS-F vs M3:

[4agze]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

No need to lie now.

From the super GT site NSX only won 2 of the team construction championship during the JGTC years, so yeah he's just making that up

JGTC
2000 Castrol Dome Mugen Honda NSX

2004 M-Tech Honda NSX

Super GT
2007 Autobacs Racing Team Aguri honda NSX

O yeah 2009 champions are, yes they dominated 2009 season, no not nissan GTR
GT500 Petronas TOM'S Lexus SC430
GT300 Racing Project Bandoh Lexus IS350

if any one wants a copy of the full 2009 season of the super GT let me know i have all of them

[Kenji]

I need the FT86 to come out ASAP! They're killing off the RX8

[Franisco]

Maybe

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Mouse

I currently own and drive a yaris because of my financial situation....But I previously owned 3 miatas(2 Na's and 1 NC). The IS-F is garbage, I would personally spend some more and just get an M3.
I will give you the Civic/Integra in Touring Car races but that's it. To me Time Attack is not racing.
As far as the NSX.....has it done anything outside of the JGTC...I don't think so. I love the NSX and the fact that Ayrton Senna helped in the development of the car. Honda's pedigree comes from a car that is far from it's NSX cousin. The Civic.

The S2000 is a sports car not a touring car. Yes, they are both different things.

IS-F vs M3:

You are entitled to your opinion of course... you know, everyone has em, them being like assholes and all.

The M3 is the benchmark of that class of car. It has been in development for 4 generations, the better part of 20 years. I never said the IS F was better. I just said that it's not garbage. It is an incredible first effort and as far as I am concerned, better than the C63 and RS4... so, second only to the M3 first time out.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Axel

As we get further off the tread topic... but it might be interesting (although I don't know how commercially successful) if Lexus puts a detuned LFA engine in a luxury sedan... probably still lose to the 556-hp CTS-V Coupe though...

Rumormill: Fabled Lexus GS F to use LFA's V10

by Damon Lavrinc Autoblog on Dec 29th 2009 at 6:57PM

Lexus LFA - Click above for high-res image gallery

We've been hearingrumblings about a Lexus GS F for over two years, with the most recent report indicating that the maxed-out super sedan was put on hold until the economic climate reached a balmy 75-degrees. However, the rumormongers at Japan's BestCar seem to think that the GS F is back on track, and not only that, it'll be powered by a detuned version of the LFA's V10.

Although that sounds simply insane at first blush, the possibility of a 500+ hp V10 powerplant coincides with aninitial report released way back in September of 2007. Not only that, but the GS F's closest competition -- the BMW M5 -- uses a bent-ten as well. However, even if Toyota is trying to spread out the costs of the LFA's development, with BMW's bahn burner about to get the twin-turbocharged V8 from the BMW X6/X5 M and Mercedes-Benz' decision to drop its 6.2-liter engines in favor of force-fed eights, it could be bad timing... or a cunning marketing move, depending on your motivational perspectives.

Speculation aside, if Toyota does pull the trigger and fit a reworked version of the 552-hp, 4.8-liter 1LR-GUE V10 into its staid sedan, expect the performance to strip the paint clean off it's swollen fascia while leaving you over $100,000 lighter in the process.

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Says Lexus Europe:

Many rumours flying on Lexus GS F V10. Not going to comment on those. Only that LFA V10 is bespoke to LFA.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Axel

by Ryan Douthit - Drivingsports.com • December 30, 2009



"the RX-7 will return to retake its throne" hohoho But it should be an interesting mix of light RWD cars coming out... I bet they'll all use the FT-86 as the benchmark for these cars, and that they'll come up short in both sales, looks, and bang for the buck.

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What throne?

p.s. ROFL if the really believe that an RX will be priced cheaper than the Miata.... and deliver more than 30mpg... lmao

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

What throne?

p.s. ROFL if the really believe that an RX will be priced cheaper than the Miata.... and deliver more than 30mpg... lmao

Hey, RX series had their prime time. lol

Now, I can't see myself RX been cheaper than Mx-5. RX is big brother of Mx. It's like saying Skyline been cheaper than Silvia.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Hey, RX series had their prime time. lol

Now, I can't see myself RX been cheaper than Mx-5. RX is big brother of Mx. It's like saying Skyline been cheaper than Silvia.

Best RX7 was the FD and it shared the limelight with the MkIV supra and the NSX. Don't see it being able to sit on any throne with those other cars involved.

Don't get me wrong. I love the FD RX7, awesome car, light, fast, great handling and driving feel. But there was only one King ding-a-ling of the JDM 90's sports cars and it was the 3200-3400lb Gorilla with the big S for a crest

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by 4agze

From the super GT site NSX only won 2 of the team construction championship during the JGTC years, so yeah he's just making that up

JGTC
2000 Castrol Dome Mugen Honda NSX

2004 M-Tech Honda NSX

Super GT
2007 Autobacs Racing Team Aguri honda NSX

O yeah 2009 champions are, yes they dominated 2009 season, no not nissan GTR
GT500 Petronas TOM'S Lexus SC430
GT300 Racing Project Bandoh Lexus IS350

if any one wants a copy of the full 2009 season of the super GT let me know i have all of them

whoa buddy i never made shit up, if you followed JGTC and actually watched the races since the 90s you will find out that NSX is placed usually within the top 5-10 cars in points, and cant be said about the any other car running the same classes over the span of 20 years. I never said about winning in over all points 4 seasons long, but its track record would state that its a dominating car with 22 wins alone. HOWEVER in the world ring, NSX only appeared in LeMans 24 hour a few times only placing first once, and the rest of the time never made it in the top brackets.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

whoa buddy i never made shit up, if you followed JGTC and actually watched the races since the 90s you will find out that NSX is placed usually within the top 5-10 cars in points, and cant be said about the any other car running the same classes over the span of 20 years. I never said about winning in over all points 4 seasons long, but its track record would state that its a dominating car with 22 wins alone. HOWEVER in the world ring, NSX only appeared in LeMans 24 hour a few times only placing first once, and the rest of the time never made it in the top brackets.

Dominiating = winning classes or championships. Period. What's the use of winning races and coming second in you class or overall?

Dominiating = TOM'S 1997 Castrol Supra. 5 podiums in the 6 race season. Twice first, Once second, Twice third. GT500 Team champ. GT500 Drivers champ. THAT is dominating a season.

You obviously don't follow JGTC that well because the Nismo works team, TOM's Toyota/lexus are the ones that usually dominate.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Best RX7 was the FD and it shared the limelight with the MkIV supra and the NSX. Don't see it being able to sit on any throne with those other cars involved.

LOL Gotta love Supra~! They're awesome! I love to have JZA80

Yes, FD3S was light & fast... but before FD, FC, FB, or SA, there was Rx3. In 70's winning the touring car category and preventing the GT-R from winning 50 consecutive races. The car continued to be competitive, claiming over 100 victories in mid 70's. Also iirc they still continue in some of club racing today.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Dominiating = winning classes or championships. Period. What's the use of winning races and coming second in you class or overall?

Dominiating = TOM'S 1997 Castrol Supra. 5 podiums in the 6 race season. Twice first, Once second, Twice third. GT500 Team champ. GT500 Drivers champ. THAT is dominating a season.

You obviously don't follow JGTC that well because the Nismo works team, TOM's Toyota/lexus are the ones that usually dominate.

Well jesus christ then why do they keep putting weight handicaps on the NSX. I always understood it because of the points system and drivers accumulation.

I understand that Toyota's overall wins is close to 40 now vs hondas 20 something. And toyotas is the top dominating machine in that series. but my point was that honda still has a strong presence and history there, if you forgot why this conversation was spawned. Im not arguing about NSX or Hondas is better than Toyota or even Nissan for that matter, thats just ridiculous.