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[bofa]

I'm up in Jacksonville so that's a bit of a haul. I would definitely find a way to learn now though.

As for call, text, eating, etc while driving... well, don't. I'm one of those people that when I'm driving, all else is secondary. That's my best recommendation. There are no calls, texts, or burgers that are so important that your risk yourself, your car, or others around you. /endsoapbox. That said, most of the shifting around town is while you are accelerating and stopping. For the most part, once you are in 4th/5th around town, you aren't doing much shift work.

As for the 6MT being cheaper, that's not necessarily a given. I've seen a few cars lately where the manual can be slightly more expensive. I'm not saying that will be the case here, but nothing's given until they release the price. Usually though, the price is negligible for most. And once you drive a stick its hard to imagine purchasing an auto again. I'll have a hard time going to a DSG setup... I'll have to tell myself its just more efficient.

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by Heimer

My friends have offered before to teach me but I never had a reason to learn until the FR. My only concern with driving a manual is not being able to call, text, shift, clutch at the same time. Not that that's safe butwe all do it lol. Though, I do think I would hate myself if I bought a sports car in automatic. I guess then the FR would be a grand cheaper in manual. Ill probably try in my friends civic.

Reading your comments, it seems like the fr-s is not really the car for you, but it's your money, I guess. Being able to drive a stick is a must have skill set if you ask me. It also helps people better understand their cars, how they act, and ultimately improve their driving capabilities and awareness. But I'm not gonna sit here and preach to you about why manuals are important, I am sure there are plenty of articles for that.

You are kidding me, right? Whats up with that bs analogy "everybody does it". I am your age (21 right?) and I never text and drive, even if I am in my mom's automatic. It's just as stupid as drinking and driving. If someone needs me, they can call me (using hands free when driving). Trust me, once you learn, you will be able to text, drive and shift... But that's just stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before, but now you do seem more and more like your typical river wanna be. At one point I was even thinking that you were trolling....

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by bofa

As for the 6MT being cheaper, that's not necessarily a given. I've seen a few cars lately where the manual can be slightly more expensive. I'm not saying that will be the case here, but nothing's given until they release the price. Usually though, the price is negligible for most.

Knowing scion, their manuals are always cheaper (as a matter of fact, idk any car that has a cheaper automatic version, but there probably are a few). Usually it's by 1-2k, which to me is not too negligible on a 20k car. Also, this auto has ever more parts to it (paddle shifters and all the things u need for those), which will most likely increase the cost even further. So I see .00001% chance of it being cheaper, but maybe that's just me.

Don't get me wrong, toyota's automatics are great for what you pay for and if you NEED to drive it, but I'll pick stick over it any day....

[Random_Art]

Originally Posted by bofa

Learn stick now... find a friend (maybe one you dont like) or a rental with a stick and learn. A used car salesman taught me the basics in about 15 minutes in a Kia he was trying to sell me. Where are you in FL? Hell I'll teach ya if you find a car.

Good luck finding a rental that's stick. I tried once to find a rental that was stick so I could teach my wife to drive stick, and I couldn't find one.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

Good luck finding a rental that's stick. I tried once to find a rental that was stick so I could teach my wife to drive stick, and I couldn't find one.

Yeah I don't think, rental place have MT anymore.

[Heimer]

I'm not trolling, I only said "everyone" for effect. 90% of the people I know text/call and drive. I don't mean 16 year old emotionally compromised girls either. I don't do it while I'm heading for a stoplight or with people in front of me, but most certainly if lanes are clear I can text without even looking at my phone. Anyways, I'm not arguing with you, I agree it is unsafe.

As for if this is really my car, I really thought it was once I saw the FR-S concept I was sold, but I'm more of a looks over whats inside kind of person. I've always wanted a car to mod, and my CTS is practically unmodifiable and unreliable. If the production looks like a really watered down version of either concept I will probably look elsewere, but I hope I don't have to.

I've never been to the track to race, doesn't mean I won't like to, I've just never had a car to do it with. I've always been jealous of the instant power manuals seem to recieve over both of my last automatics have that nice delay upon pushing the gas to recieving the power.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah I don't think, rental place have MT anymore.

I've seen a few here. Also, buy here pay here places will sometimes rent you a car. Alternatively you could buy a beater for 1000, learn, and flip it. You might even make a profit.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by Mari0

Knowing scion, their manuals are always cheaper (as a matter of fact, idk any car that has a cheaper automatic version, but there probably are a few). Usually it's by 1-2k, which to me is not too negligible on a 20k car. Also, this auto has ever more parts to it (paddle shifters and all the things u need for those), which will most likely increase the cost even further. So I see .00001% chance of it being cheaper, but maybe that's just me.

Don't get me wrong, toyota's automatics are great for what you pay for and if you NEED to drive it, but I'll pick stick over it any day....

I was thinking of Infiniti when I wrote this. Not sure how many others do that. I also believe they learned to package in more options now to muddy the comparison.

Agree though - for Scion and Subaru the going rate seems to be 1k for 5AT, or about $20/month. Doesn't seem to hard on the wallet if you can't manage a little hand-foot coordination.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by bofa

I've seen a few here. Also, buy here pay here places will sometimes rent you a car. Alternatively you could buy a beater for 1000, learn, and flip it. You might even make a profit.

All the rental here, don't have it at all. It's amazing, your place have it

[bofa]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

All the rental here, don't have it at all. It's amazing, your place have it

I guess that's the benefit of not living in the middle of nowhere... and in a nice, flat, warm-weather coastal state.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Heimer

I live in Palm Harbor, work in Clearwater and I go to USF St Pete.


My friends have offered before to teach me but I never had a reason to learn until the FR. My only concern with driving a manual is not being able to call, text, shift, clutch at the same time. Not that that's safe but we all do it lol. Though, I do think I would hate myself if I bought a sports car in automatic. I guess then the FR would be a grand cheaper in manual. Ill probably try in my friends civic.

[VenomRush]

he was totally serious judging by what is after the bold on what you quoted

[StealthESW]

Originally Posted by Heimer

I live in Palm Harbor, work in Clearwater and I go to USF St Pete.


My friends have offered before to teach me but I never had a reason to learn until the FR. My only concern with driving a manual is not being able to call, text, shift, clutch at the same time. Not that that's safe but we all do it lol. Though, I do think I would hate myself if I bought a sports car in automatic. I guess then the FR would be a grand cheaper in manual. Ill probably try in my friends civic.

I feel for the first guy on a motorcycle that you don't see change lanes in front of you. He could pay the ultimate price for your negligence.

I doubt his family would be less forgiving than the friend that is texting or calling you.

To truely enjoy a sports car you need to be engaged. Playing with your phone is an insult to the very nature of being a sport car enthusiast.

Just my opinion.

[ryun84]

I hate drivers who text. Unbelievable how horribly they drive. I would prefer that they call rather than text. At least that way they can at least keep their eyes on the road ahead.