Scratches and scrape

[BrahmaBull1990]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Ceramic helps with very fine scratching. Nothing sizeable. Best thing you can do for your front end, short of clear bra, is to keep more distance between you and the guy in front of you on the highway

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Well said. The scratches I am getting right now are only clear-coat deep. But I agree with you on the social distancing.

I don’t think I can “thank” yet, but thanks!

[alone1i]

I have ceramic coating and it can't stop scratching. The only benefit i believe is washing is bit easier.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by alone1i

I have ceramic coating and it can't stop scratching. The only benefit i believe is washing is bit easier.

I find that with my ceramic coating light scratches show up even more since it is such a slick sheen they stand out.
Ceramic coating does nothing at all to protect paint. It is a very small molecule that fills in the almost microscopic spaces between the paint molecules. It does not cover the paint at all. The whole idea of it is to give dirt less surface to stick to which results in it taking longer to get dirty, being easier to clean and have a nicer shine without waxing. It is in no way a protectant for the paint beyond those features.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ceramic coating does nothing at all to protect paint. It is a very small molecule that fills in the almost microscopic spaces between the paint molecules. It does not cover the paint at all.

Are you sure?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Are you sure?

Ya sorry I was so eager to say how it fill the gaps I sort of was misleading about the surface. Yes, it does leave a very very very thin layer on the surface of the paint. We are talking a layer in the molecular level though. This is why the word "nano" is used in many of the names of the products. That layer is very hard but so thin that it will still scratch relatively easy.
I guess the point I am trying to get across is that people hear "ceramic" and they picture some sort of heavy, impenetrable armour coat on top of their paint and that simply is not what it is or how it works.


Is it worth doing? Hell ya! Just the ease of cleaning alone will reduce the risk of swirl marks and light scratches since you can simply rinse most dirt right off.

[alone1i]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I find that with my ceramic coating light scratches show up even more since it is such a slick sheen they stand out.
Ceramic coating does nothing at all to protect paint. It is a very small molecule that fills in the almost microscopic spaces between the paint molecules. It does not cover the paint at all. The whole idea of it is to give dirt less surface to stick to which results in it taking longer to get dirty, being easier to clean and have a nicer shine without waxing. It is in no way a protectant for the paint beyond those features.

I wish i could read your comment 1 year ago. Dealership told me in a way that they definitely deserve oscar winning award.

But i do not regret because it was heavy discounted offer and yes cleaning the car is way way easier now.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by alone1i

I wish i could read your comment 1 year ago. Dealership told me in a way that they definitely deserve oscar winning award.

But i do not regret because it was heavy discounted offer and yes cleaning the car is way way easier now.

My dealer was very clear on what it would and would not do and even sort of tried to talk me out of it. I wanted it because I wash my car at least 3 times a week through the summer and anything that makes it easier is worth it. What they neglected to tell me was that it took a couple of weeks to fully cure so at first I was disappointed in it's performance. After it cured though I knew I would never get a new car without it again. If you go into it knowing what it really does it is wonderful but if people think it is some sort of magical forcefield they will be disappointed.
When I picked it up there was a door ding and the coating was visibly streaky so they took it back in the next day and fixed the ding and redid the coating. It came out perfect and I even got to see it in their inspection bay.

[Decep]

The spray on ceramic waxes are pretty damn good too, yeah they dont last for years (more like 2-3 months) but they make cleaning the car super easy. For me i'd go paint protection film and top it with a spray ceramic like the Griots teenage mutant ninja turtle juice or the Turtle Wax Ceramic stuff is good too.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Is it worth doing? Hell ya! Just the ease of cleaning alone will reduce the risk of swirl marks and light scratches since you can simply rinse most dirt right off.

Totally agree.

[RToyo86]

If I didn't live in a winter climate I probably wouldn't bother with a coating. Nothing else will last.

With a bigger heated garage you can rise rinse less wash and add sealants. But if you can't coatings are the best option.


Most modern Sio2 and graphene sealants have near identical hydrophobics now, you just don't get the UV and chemical resistance that lasts.

[alone1i]

So, my dealer also told me, this ceramic coating should last for a very long time but did not mention a specific timeframe. Just in assumption, shall I re-do it 5 years later?

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by alone1i

So, my dealer also told me, this ceramic coating should last for a very long time but did not mention a specific timeframe. Just in assumption, shall I re-do it 5 years later?

Coating lifespan can vary from one to six years.

Generally the stuff that lasts longer recommend some form of maintenance yearly to maintain peak hydrophobics.

I would ask what coating they used.

[alone1i]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

Coating lifespan can vary from one to six years.

Generally the stuff that lasts longer recommend some form of maintenance yearly to maintain peak hydrophobics.

I would ask what coating they used.

https://durasealprotection.co.nz/

Duraseal Paint Protection :/

[RToyo86]

Lifetime coating is a pretty bold statement. They don't talk at all on their site about what actual technology they're using. Sio2 base? SIC?
Were you provided with a warranty?

I had a look and somebody on autogeek installed duraseal at one time. Seems like a reasonable ceramic. But they primarily deal with dealers probably because it's easy money.

I would expect 3-5 years. If you have harsh weather it's usually on the lower end. You can email them and ask how they suggest to maintain it. Usually it's some form of "topper" which is a Sio2 type sealant that helps fill in etching on the coating as it wears and maintain the hydrophobics.