Some Scion Knowledge and History...

[john]

Here is some neat information showing how the Scion market has been doing since their launch in 03 that can be added to the thread.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Giccin

Sweet Jesus. Lol...

I won't but a scion because of its Image. I've said it numerous times the image plays a huge role. You can say "oh it doesn't matter why should you care what people think about what you're driving?" ALL of the U.S is wrapped around image.

If I cared about what other people thought about me for driving a car like the AE86, I wouldn't own it. Yes, it has its cult following....no, not everyone likes it...the vast majority think its ugly. @#$@ them.

I've stated in another thread before you joined so, I'll repeat myself again. Everyone will judge you by what you "wear." You're not going to walk into a 5 star restaurant with shorts and a T-shirt. You're not going to go to a business interview with sweat pants and a hoodie.

There's a stark difference between social etiquette and your choice in driving machinery. Unless said machine is a Panzer Tank...then yes, that might be socially inappropriate. But lets not split hairs here...

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

If I cared about what other people thought about me for driving a car like the AE86, I wouldn't own it. Yes, it has its cult following....no, not everyone likes it...the vast majority think its ugly. @#$@ them.

There's a stark difference between social etiquette and your choice in driving machinery. Unless said machine is a Panzer Tank...then yes, that might be socially inappropriate. But lets not split hairs here...

Just tryin' to prove a point. Nothing about the Scion history since its birth paints a pretty picture.

I'll buy a horse and trot to LA for school.

Edit: Plus these freaking threads about why people should or shouldn't hate scion is getting repetitive and annoying. Lol Its like shitty politics. Everyone hates it.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Giccin

Just tryin' to prove a point. Nothing about the Scion history since its birth paints a pretty picture.

I'll buy a horse and trot to LA for school.

Then make a new heritage.

Not buying a car for the singular purpose of its badge just reeks of pompousness and vanity. I'm allergic to that stuff.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Then make a new heritage.

Not buying a car for the singular purpose of its badge just reeks of pompousness and vanity. I'm allergic to that stuff.

Send me a TEQ emblem or 86 and I'll reconsider. :P

Which still makes me wonder.. what ever happened with the 86 trademark they filed?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Giccin

Send me a TEQ emblem or 86 and I'll reconsider. :P

Which still makes me wonder.. what ever happened with the 86 trademark they filed?

Yeah, no! That's my idea! No takey!

Alright...I'll consider it. But only because you're a zombie hunter extraordinaire much like myself.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Yeah, no! That's my idea! No takey!

Alright...I'll consider it. But only because you're a zombie hunter extraordinaire much like myself.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Then make a new heritage.

Not buying a car for the singular purpose of its badge just reeks of pompousness and vanity. I'm allergic to that stuff.

Keep in mind, some of my concern is what technical changes may be made to accommodate the target market of the brand.

If they think Scion buyers will be a bunch of style over substance buyers, with little to no RWD experience, who's to stop them from cranking up the understeer and un-defeatable traction/stability control?

Again I bring up the SW20 MR2 handling 'edit' as past example.

It's not ONLY about the badge. It's about what the consequences of the badge may be.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Keep in mind, some of my concern is what technical changes may be made to accommodate the target market of the brand.

If they think Scion buyers will be a bunch of style over substance buyers, with little to no RWD experience, who's to stop them from cranking up the understeer and un-defeatable traction/stability control?

Again I bring up the SW20 MR2 handling 'edit' as past example.

It's not ONLY about the badge. It's about what the consequences of the badge may be.

Sounds like fish-tailing.

[bofa]

Alright, I'll probably catch some crap for saying it.... but you do realize people think the same thing about the WRX series, especially those with no concept of that car's engineering and potential, right? I can't tell you how any times I hear people say it looks like a tinker toy, a kids car, something out of a cereal box, etc. My own wife dogged me out for shopping them the last two times I was getting a car because of the "image" it portrays.

I know what that car can do and I'm sure many of you do as well... but people will always form their opinions whether they are informed or not.

You have to chose to live with what you know, live with what others think, or find another alternative.

[Maxim]

*reads Giccin and OldSkool's messages*


Did I stumble into an anime?

[Random_Art]

I think we stumbled into the House of Representatives....

Dems: "We'll bring the car as a scion"

Repubs: "no! we want Toyota or Subaru!"

Dems: "We'll keep it NA"

Repubs: "No! We need Turbo!"

Dems: "It'll be RWD"

Repubs: "But we want AWD!"

Dems: "It'll be fuel efficient"

Repubs: "F@$!& that! Drill here and reduce gas prices!"

[Jay Grey]

I think everyone got their point across... Quite frankly if you like the car get it, if not move on! I think WE (as in the FT86 Club) can be more supportive for this joint venture. No matter how you look at it its gonna be the same vehicle, whether Toyo or Subie. If we get either vehicle, its up to US to make a good name for this vehicle & keep it well respected. This is a new era of vehicle, a new beginning...Forget all the history, the marketing & what people made Scion to be. This is a chance as car enthusiasts to revive the name to gain some respect back. Listen, I own Scion tC and I'm not saying this cuz I own the brand. I owned a Nissan NX and close to buying a 240sx, Si & Prelude. I don't think my car is a super sports car of any sort and I hate when people think it is. Did I ever think of ricing my car out? Hell no, maybe make look presentable; nice rims, tint, lip kit, lip spolier & dash unit... Then call it quits! The real sports cars are legends & in the past.

[blur]

I have two hopes for scion ATM. 1st is that both models will be identical mechanically(the US has been screwed out by toyota before, not scion) and that the FRS (or whatever its going to be called in the rest of the world) will get it's own GT300 race car to further develop racing technologies behind toyota. Well, that and the fact that it can race alongside it's bigger brother(LFA).