Will the new Supra kill the resale value of my 86

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Maybe if they turn MF Ghost into an Anime our cars will become more desirable?

Or give it a lead in a Fast and Furious movie.
No, not a backup role like it had in 8. Then it will be the bestestracecarevermade.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or give it a lead in a Fast and Furious movie.
No, not a backup role like it had in 8. Then it will be the bestestracecarevermade.

I don't know if it will ever be infamous like Toyota Supra, but it seems like the 86 has already made a couple small appearances. I think it will be one of the most remembered cars from the 2010-2020 period.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by bcj

No.

Agree 100%.






NO.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I don't know if it will ever be infamous like Toyota Supra, but it seems like the 86 has already made a couple small appearances. I think it will be one of the most remembered cars from the 2010-2020 period.

Remembered fondly by a very tiny group. About 99.99999998 percent of the population couldn't pick it out of a line up or if they could they wouldn't care.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is no "requirement" for them to have a stock of parts. Like I said before they don't make parts anyway. "OEM" is sort of a slippery slope as well. Many different suppliers can make the same parts over the history of a model and each one of them would be the "OEM" at that point in time. Contracts come and go and the exact same thing can be made by different place even in the middle of a production run. It is a very cutthroat business.

I feel like there is a difference between an OEM part, OEM replacement and pure aftermarket. OEM part being the one that has the highest similarity and quality to OEM. OEM replacement can be low to almost OEM quality/standards. Aftermarket can be a series upgrade in quality or have minimal standards and fall apart. These aren't hard rules, but I feel like true OEM parts commissioned by the manufacture are what need to be made available to consumers for a period of time.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I feel like there is a difference between an OEM part, OEM replacement and pure aftermarket. OEM part being the one that has the highest similarity and quality to OEM. OEM replacement can be low to almost OEM quality/standards. Aftermarket can be a series upgrade in quality or have minimal standards and fall apart. These aren't hard rules, but I feel like true OEM parts commissioned by the manufacture are what need to be made available to consumers for a period of time.

Well I don't "feel" anything on the subject I know. It is what I have done for 30 years.
You pretty much nailed it though. OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer and that manufacturer can change many times. It is an identifier of who made that part not where the parts falls into the big scheme of things. No matter who makes an OEM part at any given time they have to follow the same spec though so the parts should be identical no matter what. That is not always the case (take my word for it). OEM replacement parts should not differ in any way from the parts used to make the car as they are still built to those specs. The only way they could be a lower quality is if the car assembling company ordered them that way. This does happen.
Aftermarket is a free for all. The parts are made to whatever specs are required by whoever orders them. As you said they may be far better or far worse than the OEM all depending on what was ordered. Now, there is a sort of grey area for aftermarket parts when they are really just OEM parts under a different label. Those ones are built at the same time as the OEM so meet all the specs but can be bought for far less. Can be really hard to tell if you are getting those though.
When I worked for Siemans we made the HVAC motors for Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, and VW. They were all identical motors with a different stamp on the case. The Ford ones cost them substantially less than the rest. We also made aftermarket motors for a couple of big chain stores. These were still exactly the same motors but far cheaper than even the Ford ones were. A surprising amount of the less expensive car parts in chain stores are actually built by the OEM. The trick is figuring out what is what.


None of changes the fact that there is no requirement for them to provide a single thing to consumers for any period of time.

[m.box.design]

Shut Up And Drive

[pcguru2000]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL no clicks needed to know it is crap!

It was late at night...I was not running on all cylinders and the crap filter was temporarily deactivate. I ask your forgiveness sir! :-)

[pcguru2000]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You put every single option you could on to make that $34K car which is very unlikely to happen. If you pick the top trim and all the add ons that they will eventually have for the "Supra" you would probably still hit a $15K gap even at fully dressed.
Oh and the 86 comes with "dual" exhaust already you just added TRD exhaust.

But even the top trim won't have a supra's acceleration/hp. If we then add to the 86 with an aftermarket $5K supercharger to get to 300 ponies, then we are at the supra price with a voided warranty.

Then again...I don't remember what my point was now. LOL

[pcguru2000]

Originally Posted by HKz

...but IMO the biggest difference that will probably keep the 86 hype going is the very real possibility of an automatic only MK5 Supra

There are people that won't buy auto trannys and this will be to the advantage of the brz/86. Totally agree!

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is no "requirement" for them to have a stock of parts. Like I said before they don't make parts anyway. "OEM" is sort of a slippery slope as well. Many different suppliers can make the same parts over the history of a model and each one of them would be the "OEM" at that point in time. Contracts come and go and the exact same thing can be made by different place even in the middle of a production run. It is a very cutthroat business.


However...Most contracts include a service parts requirement that can extend several years after a car is made. They can also still order parts that they need from the places that actually make them. A couple of times a year were run off a service order for a few thousand rotors for cars that have not been in production for 10 or 15 years. As long as there is a demand somebody will make the parts that are required. You can go online right now and buy new parts (not new old stock) for a Model T.

Spoken like a true prodigy!

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or give it a lead in a Fast and Furious movie.
No, not a backup role like it had in 8. Then it will be the bestestracecarevermade.

I would actually force myself to watch a fast and furious movie if it had an 86 in it. Or wait to watch just the youtube clip of the 86 in so that I wouldn't have to watch the whole stupid movie.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well I don't "feel" anything on the subject I know. It is what I have done for 30 years.
You pretty much nailed it though. OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer and that manufacturer can change many times. It is an identifier of who made that part not where the parts falls into the big scheme of things. No matter who makes an OEM part at any given time they have to follow the same spec though so the parts should be identical no matter what. That is not always the case (take my word for it). OEM replacement parts should not differ in any way from the parts used to make the car as they are still built to those specs. The only way they could be a lower quality is if the car assembling company ordered them that way. This does happen.
Aftermarket is a free for all. The parts are made to whatever specs are required by whoever orders them. As you said they may be far better or far worse than the OEM all depending on what was ordered. Now, there is a sort of grey area for aftermarket parts when they are really just OEM parts under a different label. Those ones are built at the same time as the OEM so meet all the specs but can be bought for far less. Can be really hard to tell if you are getting those though.
When I worked for Siemans we made the HVAC motors for Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, and VW. They were all identical motors with a different stamp on the case. The Ford ones cost them substantially less than the rest. We also made aftermarket motors for a couple of big chain stores. These were still exactly the same motors but far cheaper than even the Ford ones were. A surprising amount of the less expensive car parts in chain stores are actually built by the OEM. The trick is figuring out what is what.

None of changes the fact that there is no requirement for them to provide a single thing to consumers for any period of time.

Good to know. I have never researched this. In car accidents, I have always requested that the insurance pay for genuine oem parts. Scary to think that I may have gotten a really good knock off.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I think you are right, only because:

--a lot of 86's have extensive add-ons/mods;
--the car was already cheap;
--and unlike luxury cars that plummet in value, the 86 isn't leased as often, nor can the sellers afford to take a hit like luxury car owners

Just some info for you...everyone else covered the other points.

Good point!

Originally Posted by fatoni

40k like the original 20k, 2500lb, 260hp ft86, silly.

Don't get what you mean.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

But even the top trim won't have a supra's acceleration/hp. If we then add to the 86 with an aftermarket $5K supercharger to get to 300 ponies, then we are at the supra price with a voided warranty.

Is it matched yet?

LOL.
Your concern was that the new Supra would destroy the value of used 86s and nobody may even want them. The Supra will have zero impact on used sales.
Building up an expensive as possible 86 does not create competition between the two either. If you are now saying that the Supra may harm the sales of highly modified, fully equipped, top trim level Twins then sure. Both the guys that may have done that may buy Supras instead.
Moving the target does not mean that the Supra will steal all the sales. Well over half the guys on this forum now seem to be barely able to buy a base level Twin. They will not be cross shopping a car that could conceivably cost almost twice as much. The people looking at the Supra will for the most part be ones in the Vette or Porsche market. Have no fear the twins will not be impacted by the Supra and any plan they have for it was in place at least three years ago.

[HKz]

i dont think any modern sports car's value has been "killed" by a higher priced & performing sibling...if anything having a bigger lineup only increases brand awareness and ultimately desirability across the brand.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

Spoken like a true prodigy .

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw[/ame]

[pcguru2000]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I was quoting pulp fiction...but this is cool.