WRX is 85% Japanese, BRZ is 95% Japanese

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

exhaust - phillipines probably (fujitsubo?)

Sakamoto makes the OEM exhaust, Hitachi makes the OEM rims, Showa makes the OEM shocks and Mitsubishi makes the OEM springs all in Japan.

[jtaeric]

I'm not sure about WRX, but I'm 100% sure that BRZ/86/FR-S are all made on the same production line at Gunma main plant, Gunma, Japan.


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[~el~jefe~]

One could note that tiny parts are made in various places. It is not the part that matters, but the quality control of the people assembling them, testing the parts, and sense of responsibility for overseeing stuff.

example i would give is VW. They have some nice designs, but dont give a crap about quality control at all. German versions or mexican versions, both seem to have no energy or time spent in quality control. According to one engineer I listen to, he reported that VW did as I noted to expand their line and domination of the market. I have more of a trust of the Japanese workmanship and planning than I do most other countries. The USA could build 99% reliable stuff, we have great workers, but leadership and management are kinda mentally retarded. Look at Ford and Chrysler. eek.

[~el~jefe~]

Originally Posted by jtaeric

I'm not sure about WRX, but I'm 100% sure that BRZ/86/FR-S are all made on the same production line at Gunma main plant, Gunma, Japan.


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the wrx is made from same plant, yes. Same place.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~

One could note that tiny parts are made in various places. It is not the part that matters, but the quality control of the people assembling them, testing the parts, and sense of responsibility for overseeing stuff.

example i would give is VW. They have some nice designs, but dont give a crap about quality control at all. German versions or mexican versions, both seem to have no energy or time spent in quality control. According to one engineer I listen to, he reported that VW did as I noted to expand their line and domination of the market. I have more of a trust of the Japanese workmanship and planning than I do most other countries. The USA could build 99% reliable stuff, we have great workers, but leadership and management are kinda mentally retarded. Look at Ford and Chrysler. eek.

A proper sendoff for VW and their rubbish products.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

If I want an American car I want it manufactured in America. An Italian car made in Italy, British car manufactured in the UK, German car made in Germany and a French car made in France.

I don't want to buy an Italian car made in Japan!

You are about 20 years too late for that I am afraid.

Oh and who really wants a French car?

[jtaeric]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You are about 20 years too late for that I am afraid.



Oh and who really wants a French car?

lol. Good point on the second half.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~

One could note that tiny parts are made in various places. It is not the part that matters, but the quality control of the people assembling them, testing the parts, and sense of responsibility for overseeing stuff.

example i would give is VW. They have some nice designs, but dont give a crap about quality control at all. German versions or mexican versions, both seem to have no energy or time spent in quality control. According to one engineer I listen to, he reported that VW did as I noted to expand their line and domination of the market. I have more of a trust of the Japanese workmanship and planning than I do most other countries. The USA could build 99% reliable stuff, we have great workers, but leadership and management are kinda mentally retarded. Look at Ford and Chrysler. eek.

You are making some very sweeping assumptions based on myth and biased reporting. If you think that all Japanese management is perfect you would be wrong. They have their share of bad management just like everybody else. It just doesn't make headlines here like when a top level Ford or GM guy screws up. There was a day 25 years ago or so when indeed the Japanese management systemsruled. It took all of about 2 years for all the other companies to catch up and put those same systems in place. They no longer have that edge.
I assure you that urban legend aside even the Mexican plants have the same level of quality control as the ones in Japan. People seem to picture Japanese plants as this wonderful fairyland of automotive technology while Mexican plants are a shack out in the desert. This is not true anymore (it was once back in the 80s) and if I took you in a plant and didn't tell you what country you are in you would probably never be able to tell. In fact many of the plants in Japan are aging and showing it whereas plants in Mexico, China and even India are brand new state of the art facilities.
I know this will not go over well on a forum populated by people that adhere to the whole "Japanese cars rule the world" mythos but it just does not fly anymore.

[winstonscifi]

You guys have got me thinking, and now re-thinking. I've owned a British sports car - 1974 Triumph Spitfire. An Italian sports car - 1976 Fiat X 1/9. An American sports car - 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. A German sports car - 2007 Chrysler Crossfire. And now a Japanese sports car - a 2015 Scion FR-S. All cars were "assembled" in their respective countries. Except perhaps the Camaro. Tcoat, I think that was made in Canada - correct? My next true American sports car might have to be a Corvette! (That's not all bad...)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by winstonscifi

You guys have got me thinking, and now re-thinking. I've owned a British sports car - 1974 Triumph Spitfire. An Italian sports car - 1976 Fiat X 1/9. An American sports car - 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. A German sports car - 2007 Chrysler Crossfire. And now a Japanese sports car - a 2015 Scion FR-S. All cars were "assembled" in their respective countries. Except perhaps the Camaro. Tcoat, I think that was made in Canada - correct? My next true American sports car might have to be a Corvette! (That's not all bad...)

They used to be made here yes.

[prj3ctm4yh3m]

Originally Posted by JD001

If I want an American car I want it manufactured in America. An Italian car made in Italy, British car manufactured in the UK, German car made in Germany and a French car made in France.

I don't want to buy an Italian car made in Japan!

fiesta ST powertrains come from the UK...american or british - riddle me that

[winstonscifi]

I just googled it - the Camaro will be made in the Lansing Michigan plant starting very soon. Being retired, another Camaro will fit my budget better than a new Corvette.....That won't be for another 6 years though....gotta get the miles out of our new FR-S!

[prj3ctm4yh3m]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Sakamoto makes the OEM exhaust, Hitachi makes the OEM rims, Showa makes the OEM shocks and Mitsubishi makes the OEM springs all in Japan.

hitachi? not enkei? i learned something new today

who does the brakes? akebono?


honda has a big stake in showa (nissin too) - i think part of the reason honda was able to establish such a great reputation is more involvement with their primary suppliers.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You are about 20 years too late for that I am afraid.

Oh and who really wants a French car?

Renault Sport made some fantastic cars and all manufactured in France.

I agree that brands are getting watered down and don't respect place of origin however we still get the gems/ specials that honour their sense of place.