First time this happened to me...

[DrDuquette]

Originally Posted by fatoni

none of that is quantifiable or even pertains to cars unless you consider price which is excessive. even if it wasnt the hype around this car was much exaggerated. talk about lowest cog in a production car, talk about a 20k price tag, talk about out handling a cayman, talk about 250hp. i dont see how this car is not overhyped

I'm a little confused about where you are coming from?

You seem angry at something and even that I can figure out.

You are a sen member of this forum, but seem to be someone that would never buy the car that this forum is about.

Just some questions. That's all.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DrDuquette

I'm a little confused about where you are coming from?

You seem angry at something and even that I can figure out.

You are a sen member of this forum, but seem to be someone that would never buy the car that this forum is about.

Just some questions. That's all.

im not mad. i just sound like that all the time. dont let the fact that i think it is overhyped be confused with the fact that i dont love the car. i think its a great car. that doesnt change the fact that its overhyped.

[DrDuquette]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im not mad. i just sound like that all the time. dont let the fact that i think it is overhyped be confused with the fact that i dont love the car. i think its a great car. that doesnt change the fact that its overhyped.

Hyped could be great. More aftermarket parts!!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

It won 1st in class and 46th overall

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6598

Lap time, I'm not sure yet, but it should be around the ballpark

try 9:09. i know this car isnt really about numbers (and i despise using nurburg as a metric) but people scoffing at the cobalt when it is that much faster just seems to be text book fanboyism

Originally Posted by DrDuquette

Hyped could be great. More aftermarket parts!!

its not all bad. hopefully this car lives its life out like the miata has. hopefully the hype dies we get a car meant for drivers that lasts for decades

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by fatoni

try 9:09. i know this car isnt really about numbers (and i despise using nurburg as a metric) but people scoffing at the cobalt when it is that much faster just seems to be text book fanboyism

I'm not scoffing at the SS

I think it is a very nice car, I'm just saying what the 86 did

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

I'm not scoffing at the SS

I think it is a very nice car, I'm just saying what the 86 did

i didnt mean to direct that towards you. your quote just had the information i was speaking to.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i didnt mean to direct that towards you. your quote just had the information i was speaking to.

Ah misunderstood then :happy0180:

[sho220]

Originally Posted by brzninja

I went through a long list of differences...not sure if it got through to him or not. But I completely agree. I know 2 people that have or had a Cobalt SS and they both swear that its one of the greatest cars ever produced. I guess they have never driven a.....well anything else :P

They're actually very capable cars...the only buzz kill is they're fwd...

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by ryude

The cobalt SS is the fastest shitty car you can get. It handles really well and with little mods puts down over 300whp. Unfortunately the paint job is crap, the interior is put together by a drunk, the shifter feels like you're forcing your hand through mud, and the door panels fall off easily. I liked the seats and sound system though. As long as you understand it is a GM product, you shouldn't be surprised by it's shoddy craftsmanship.

But yet the makers of the Echo 1 of the ugliests and worst cars ever produced are somehow superior? not to mention a huge lawsuit for having unsafe vehicles yeah thats quality. When their best RWD car isnt even in the same atmosphere as anything Chevy has RWD except the V6 camaro which its still slower than,and Subaru did all the production and heavy lifting and they havent made a sports car since the MR2 Spyder oh i forgot about the overpriced 400k LFA that gets trounced on by a GTR a car 1/4th of its price all from the company thats supposed to give us value and quality.Do i need to go on? Look the "Subaru twins" are great budget sports car very great infact,but all Kool Aid aint good Kool Aid....everytime somethings faster everyone reverts back to "this is only a fun car" but yet its supposed to do so many things better than everything else,but in reality it doesent,just value this car for being fun....after all going fast isnt important in a sports car right?

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

I don't think anyone is saying that at all. I personally can appreciate the Cobalt SS as a great car for what it is, I definitely would never trash someone for owning one, but for me personally it just isn't what I want. And yet somehow if a Cobalt owner hates on the BRZ, that is fine with you. I'm just saying people should have a little perspective before they go saying their Cobalt is better than the "overhyped" BRZ, because it has more hp and is faster around a track. That isn't really a valid way to compare cars. Drive them both, and then say which one you enjoyed more.

Your right it isnt a very valid way to compare "CARS" But its a tradition and a lifestyle to compare "SPORTS CARS" by this standard....you and others need to get real,or do we just need to make a new catagory and call it the "FUN CARS" I guess the twins and the Miata can own this segment since the FWD Mini,Abarth,Mazda 2,Honda Civic & Fit....would be unfairly disqualified by the lightweight low power RWD snobs and the Elise is to fast and expensive. 1 more thing are you absolutely sure its a more fun to drive car than the Miata? you know the car thats been around for 20+ years thats the best selling "Sports Car" of all time....

[Tbomb 25]

.......my point is this car is not so special that its exempt from getting compared to its peers past,present or future cars,and yes it does have peers because its not clearly superior to its rivals just different and its remarkable in many ways and not so much in a few.The bottom line is choices will be made because of these comparisons this is a fact of life in nearly every aspect in our human existence, and each car will have its pro's and cons...just a thought to you folks and fellow enthusiasts.

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by DrDuquette

Hyped? I'm not sure that is correct when you say a car is overhyped because it sells for more than msrp? Is the s2k overhyped? No. But it was selling for over $15000 msrp when I first looked at them. Yes a dealer wanted $15000 over. It is just supply and demand. If they made 50 Cobalt SS they would easily sell for more than msrp, does that mean its over hyped. No.

100% agreed...its a amazing car.

[Kunzite]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

not to mention a huge lawsuit for having unsafe vehicles

You mean, the huge lawsuit to bolster GM sales?

And is that 9:09 representative? Who drove it, was it an experienced rally driver, some journalist or maybe an owner scared he would crash his brand new car? For example, on Nordschleife the GT 86 is crushed by the Porsche Boxster (8:54, 15 seconds faster) while on Vairano, the GT 86 is actually more than 2 seconds faster.

I find it funny how on FT86club forum I have to read over and over again how, with all those so-much-better cars out there, it's insane to like the poor little GT 86/BRZ/FR-S.
This should be a forum for people who likes the twins.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

You mean, the huge lawsuit to bolster GM sales?

And is that 9:09 representative? Who drove it, was it an experienced rally driver, some journalist or maybe an owner scared he would crash his brand new car? For example, on Nordschleife the GT 86 is crushed by the Porsche Boxster (8:54, 15 seconds faster) while on Vairano, the GT 86 is actually more than 2 seconds faster.

I find it funny how on FT86club forum I have to read over and over again how, with all those so-much-better cars out there, it's insane to like the poor little GT 86/BRZ/FR-S.
This should be a forum for people who likes the twins.

nurburg times are never really representative of what a car can do. its a stupid metric people have fallen in love with since power is not cool anymore and people are all about handling.
people only really talk trash on the frs here when there are comparisons made (like this one) where frs fanboys are calling cobalt fanboys stupid for liking the much faster car