2017 Red Manifold

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by Teseo

So more weight for nothing?

Possibly, maybe not. You should buy one and let us know.

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

Possibly, maybe not. You should buy one and let us know.

Then i will need to retune. Im more interested with the headlights

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

Proof of what?

You couldn't prove that the red intake is responsible for anything as there have been too many other changes to the motor. That 5-15 whp could be coming from many different things. Lets just enjoy the fact that metal is better than plastic

It would be nice if someone bolted a revised manifold to an older 86 to see if it provides any improvement in power.


The car is still too new though. Give it a month or two.

[FX86]

red is usually fast ...like woman that wear red lipstick so it must be better

[wbradley]

Sounds like an expensive mod for no performance improvement. I do understand buying a Velox or something, but red lipstick on a manifold wont get my money.

I wonder what ITBs look like on a boxer.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Sounds like an expensive mod for no performance improvement. I do understand buying a Velox or something, but red lipstick on a manifold wont get my money.

I wonder what ITBs look like on a boxer.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=45

Not bad

[g e]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Sounds like an expensive mod for no performance improvement. I do understand buying a Velox or something, but red lipstick on a manifold wont get my money.

I wonder what ITBs look like on a boxer.

But red lipstick on boxer shorts is priceless.

[WorldRallyB]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Sounds like an expensive mod for no performance improvement. I do understand buying a Velox or something, but red lipstick on a manifold wont get my money.

I wonder what ITBs look like on a boxer.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

It would be nice if someone bolted a revised manifold to an older 86 to see if it provides any improvement in power.


The car is still too new though. Give it a month or two.

The entire intake system has been redesigned, including the manifold to include better airflow going from a oval cross sectional area to a circular design that makes for a more efficient system. Its not just pretty red paint.

And oh.. the air filter, the valves, cam shaft, piston heads, engine block, fuel pump, exhaust manifold have all seen revisions

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by WorldRallyB

The entire intake system has been redesigned, including the manifold to include better airflow going from a oval cross sectional area to a circular design that makes for a more efficient system. Its not just pretty red paint.

And oh.. the air filter, the valves, cam shaft, piston heads, engine block, fuel pump, exhaust manifold have all seen revisions

I know. I read the brochure too.

[Aluma007]

I saw a youtube video of the yellow series...the engineer said that they advertise 5hp, but its more like 15hp increase to put the engine where it should have been in the first place.

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Aluma007

I saw a youtube video of the yellow series...the engineer said that they advertise 5hp, but its more like 15hp increase to put the engine where it should have been in the first place.

Definitely not 15 according to Toyota's marketing material. You see more torque in the mid-range and at the top, but HP gains are marginal - possibly offset by added weight. Unless their reported figures are conservative. But until we get actual dyno results from an owner... The red manifold does about as much as cheetah blood or flame stickers

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Definitely not 15 according to Toyota's marketing material. You see more torque in the mid-range and at the top, but HP gains are marginal - possibly offset by added weight. Unless their reported figures are conservative. But until we get actual dyno results from an owner... The red manifold does about as much as cheetah blood or flame stickers

Frankly, I'm kind of surprised they managed to only get about 5 hp and lb-ft torque out of it. I mean, a drop in filter alone usually adds around that and they improved not only the filter design but also the intake, exhaust, lowered friction, and optimized other things but yet.. minimal gains. You had one job Toyota/Subaru!

Oh well... at least it's something.

[BFIFE22]

Originally Posted by Aluma007

I saw a youtube video of the yellow series...the engineer said that they advertise 5hp, but its more like 15hp increase to put the engine where it should have been in the first place.

Saw the same video. What he was trying to say was it's only a 5bhp increase but a higher percentage of the cars power makes it to the wheels after all the revisions to help the car make power more efficiently. So essentially it should make around 15wheelhp more than the pre-facelift

[Mim]

Going to be fascinating to see what direction custom tuning will go with the MY17's.

Either an MY17 will make even more power (vs an MY16) due to all the detail changes or end up in the same range due to a more efficient drive train leaving less headroom for more gains.

On topic though. I like my current one as it looks a lot cleaner in the engine bay the way it is now.