TRD 14R60 at Pikes Peak

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Ugh okay I'll stop driving it now.

Nah, just pick up another.

Here's a very nice low-mileage one not too far from you up in Seattle http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5657044094.html

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

Nah, just pick up another.

Here's a very nice low-mileage one not too far from you up in Seattle http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5657044094.html

My CR is in dire need of maintenance now. At 118k and quite a bit of run time, it needs some new suspension bushings and damper overhaul. Engine, transmission, and differential are still going strong. Chassis is still as tight as ever. Oh...still on stock calipers and stock sized rotors with zero brake cooling modifications. Zero cooling modifications in general, but a solution is being tested hehe.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by CSG David

My CR is in dire need of maintenance now. At 118k and quite a bit of run time, it needs some new suspension bushings and damper overhaul. Engine, transmission, and differential are still going strong. Chassis is still as tight as ever. Oh...still on stock calipers and stock sized rotors with zero brake cooling modifications. Zero cooling modifications in general, but a solution is being tested hehe.

Very nice.

I love S2000s, and would have gotten one over the FR-S if there'd been a good deal on one with a hardtop at the time. I didn't want to rock a convertible year round in Chicago. In retrospect, it would have been fine. I'm happy with the FR-S though, but I still plan to get an S2000 eventually.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Pat

OK, I just did a few minutes of research on the car. There is significantly more going on than the project manager told me about. It looks to me like the car IS more durable, rides better, etc. than the standard FRS.
Still, there's no way I'd take it over a Cayman for the same money.

You can buy a Cayman everyday. You cannot buy this car!

[Pat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

You can buy a Cayman everyday. You cannot buy this car!

I'm glad it's that way and not the other way around.

[nikitopo]

Enjoy guys!


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsNHXrd1js"]2016 PPIHC Race to the clouds - YouTube[/ame]

[Pat]

I really like the guages and how they were implemented. Simple, clean, quality.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

In what universe is a 2700 lbs NA RWD coupe with ~200 WHP finishing PPIHC in 12:33 a disappointment? There's a gap in understanding here.

I am not saying that the specific car could do much better. All I am saying is that Toyota is focusing the last few years on wrong things. When they started designing this platform the specs were OK. Now they are totally wrong because everyone in the meanwhile went to more power. The problem is that they don't listen the community. If they still want to keep the entry price level point, they have to work at least to an "S" version. I know I will not make many friends over here with such criticism, but someone is supposed to talk. And I don't agree with those saying to go to the aftermarket support. A car has to be complete from the factory. Aftermarket support should be an option and not a necessity.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

A guy like
Nutahara can get a raw estimate of course time given known variables with a spreadsheet. There's little chance he was surprised or disappointed by the car's course time as you were.

I respect a driver like Nutahara that made such a long trip to go for this race. However, he made some mistakes. Maybe he was tired from the trip or he didn't have enough time to practice with the specific car. I watched the entire race and in some turns he was downshifting wrong. He was downshifting to 2nd gear, instead of downshifting to 1st gear(*). The car was struggling to raise the RPM's even from 4,000. In the second half of the race he understood his mistake and started downshifting to 1st gear, but it was too late. I am sure that if he did this from the beginning the result would be better. So yes I believe that even himself was a bit surprised. In fact in one video after the race he seems disappointed and he tries to hide it.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

He was likely sponsored (heavily) by Toyota to both promote the 14R60 and/or validate some part(s). Neither Nutahara or Toyota expected a class win, place or show against the new NSX or couple of Viper ACRs. No disrespect, I'm trying to think of a nice way to say this. You don't seem to understand this car's presence at the PPIHC very well.

What to promote? The 14R60 cars are already sold and the project is finished. Is the PPIHC a kind of show room or an actual race? They went there with a race car having a price more than triple from the standard model (double price for the base 14R60 + costs for additional changes). In fact a base Acura NSX doesn't cost much more! Maybe Toyota stayed a long time outside the races and now they have to start learning from the beginning. In fact Subaru was right with there criticism on this platform and more specifically on the engine, but Toyota didn't want to listen.

(*) The 1st and 2nd gears in 14R60 are longer which is correct because the final drive ratio is shorter. This gives an advantage to have a usable 1st gear. Unfortunately, in the model revision they did it wrong and kept the old gear ratios. Now the 1st gear with the shorter final drive apart from launching the car is almost useless!

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I am not saying that the specific car could do much better. All I am saying is that Toyota is focusing the last few years on wrong things. When they started designing this platform the specs were OK. Now they are totally wrong because everyone in the meanwhile went to more power. The problem is that they don't listen the community. If they still want to keep the entry price level point, they have to work at least to an "S" version. I know I will not make many friends over here with such criticism, but someone is supposed to talk. And I don't agree with those saying to go to the aftermarket support. A car has to be complete from the factory. Aftermarket support should be an option and not a necessity.

Or Just accept the fact they do most of the testing on an island country where you don't need power at all. Fuk most commuter car in that country has less then 70bhp OK?

...& most tracks/roads favors light nimble cars. Even GTR is limited by GPS on the road unless you are @ a track if you get them there...

The fundamental concept of the car isn't to please everyone, just drop it instead of turning it into another thing ppl being talking about since 5 years ago & you know that.




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[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

Or Just accept the fact they do most of the testing on an island country where you don't need power at all. Fuk most commuter car in that country has less then 70bhp OK?

...& most tracks/roads favors light nimble cars. Even GTR is limited by GPS on the road unless you are @ a track if you get them there...

The fundamental concept of the car isn't to please everyone, just drop it instead of turning it into another thing ppl being talking about since 5 years ago & you know that.

So this car didn't have any reason to race in Pikes Peak. Someone said that they did it to gain experience. This is not how it works in reality. You first create a car/engine that you think it will give you a good result and then you test the overall package and make adjustments. What they did is like trying to re-invent the wheel starting from ground zero. It doesn't make sense. Unless the new trend in Toyota is to have fun and finish in the last positions.

[Sleepless]

My understanding is that the main sponsor was Yokohama/ADVAN and they were testing some new DOT R-Comp tires that will be introduced soon. I couldn't find a TW rating.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

My understanding is that the main sponsor was Yokohama/ADVAN and they were testing some new DOT R-Comp tires that will be introduced soon. I couldn't find a TW rating.

This would not have surprised me in the least. Essentially parts testing over trying to score a class win against unbeatable opposition.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

My understanding is that the main sponsor was Yokohama/ADVAN and they were testing some new DOT R-Comp tires that will be introduced soon. I couldn't find a TW rating.

They were using Advan A08B:




It is not a new tire in Japan. It is also used in the Gazoo 86/BRZ one make races.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Unless the new trend in Toyota is to have fun and finish in the last positions.

Looking @ Toyota @ most races or history with Le mans & F1. Oh they tried. LOL

You got something there.