Buying with high miles

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Mattstermh

In my experience the dealership tells me "we don't have records on the car because we got it at the auction." I'll do my best to get any service records.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya be careful with that since that is the same sort of dealer that will say "sorry we can't cover that under warranty since there are no service records".

sometimes an "auction" would also be buying it on a wholesale auction. Many times, when a dealer takes a trade-in from a customer, they turn around and sell it on the wholesale auction market.

It's why there's always a random collection of used cars at a new car dealership... half those cars were never sold to that dealer to begin with.

-alex

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FR-S Future Owner

I searched the DIY (Do-It-Yourself) Guides and was surprised that there appears to not yet be a spark plug changing DIY guide.

UMMMM did you not see the "good news" in my post above yours?
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88906

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by Mattstermh

Buying with 50k, what should I look out for versus buying one with 20k?

My pickup has 324k and still runs good. 90% good.


Dont matter. Id rather buy a 200k car kept good over a 50k no oil change car thats driven like a racecar.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I would classify that as abuse.

A redline a day keeps the carbon away.



I'll take a track toy that's had the shit kicked out of it and diligent maintenance over 'granma's Sunday driver that's never been on the freeway with dealership maintenance' any day of the week and twice on Sunday. But those are rare cars and only exist in hypothetical discussions.

As for the OP, double check that it's accident free, maintenance records on all the oil changes, and budget for new tires and brakes in the near future (<$700 unless you want big upgrades), understand the 60k service is coming up and have fun.

People bitch about the spark plugs, but most 86's will never see more than 4 sets of spark plugs in their lifetime, most owners will have to replace them at most once or twice, it's not that bad.

As above, the vast majority of cars are solid through 150k even 200k except for model specific quirks and the parts that wear out. My car will cross 50k in the next few weeks and it's never been back to the dealer for service, I don't anticipate it will be going back while I own it.

Keeps the carbon away? These are 1964 Chev 327s or something?

I stated the dealer service because you are assured that there is a proper paper trail not that they are necessarily doing a better job than some owners. But... How many posts have we seen where somebody new to the whole self maintenance concept were denied warranty because they didn't keep records?
Also think how may guys that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing come here and ask about complex mods that they are going to do themselves? Yes, everybody has to start someplace but I sure as hell don't want to buy Billy Bob's learning experience turbo install.
Granny's Sunday driver would be a great choice for many young buyers and yes they do exist and probably in greater numbers than the people on this forum would ever like to admit.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Mattstermh

So should I disregard that link I posted?

Maintenance book is available online through this page:
https://www.scion.com/owners/manuals...tenance_guides

'13 Maintenance items start on page 36.
https://www.scion.com/cm-pdf/warranty/2013/fr-s.pdf

The link you posted doesn't work for me so no comment on that. According to the manual it's recommend to replace the following: brake fluid, cabin air filter, engine oil and filter, engine air filter, and spark plugs.

DIY costs I'd anticipate:
$20 brake fluid
$20 cabin air filter
$50 oil
$10 filter & crush washer
$15 engine air filter
$100 for spark plugs (no joke, but at once or twice per your ownership of the car, I'm not going to balk on this one)

Any of these costs could be upgraded if you decide to go with something other than basic OE specs (oil, air filter, brake fluid, etc.)

Total parts cost: $215
Labor: ??? They could nail you for 4 hours of labor, due to lifting the engine for spark plugs, could be 1 hour if they're super aggressive, so this could be a $300 service or a $700 service if they mark all the parts up and work slow.

If you plan on driving hard I'd replace the MT fluid and the differential fluid as well.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Keeps the carbon away? These are 1964 Chev 327s or something?

I stated the dealer service because you are assured that there is a proper paper trail not that they are necessarily doing a better job than some owners. But... How many posts have we seen where somebody new to the whole self maintenance concept were denied warranty because they didn't keep records?
Also think how may guys that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing come here and ask about complex mods that they are going to do themselves? Yes, everybody has to start someplace but I sure as hell don't want to buy Billy Bob's learning experience turbo install.
Granny's Sunday driver would be a great choice for many young buyers and yes they do exist and probably in greater numbers than the people on this forum would ever like to admit.

A. No it's direct injected known for problems with carbon build up. Running engines hard keeps deposits away, Mazda designed their engines to keep the intake parts hot to reduce buildups. "Oh D4-S has port injectors nbd!"

It's a sports car dude, an Italian tune up won't hurt it, there's enough evidence to support it being a positive thing I certainly view 'minimal redlines' as a negative.



B. Dealership shot uncalled for from me, but not as relevant to the discussion at hand given it's a high mileage car close to being out of warranty unless a warranty agreement is in play, we don't know OP's prediliction to maintenance etc.

That was a bold faced attack on my personal beliefs! Reported!
jk

C. Granny's Sunday driver is as big a risk as any other used car, don't bullshit otherwise. Nobody wants to buy Billy Bob's learning experience turbo install, but someone will. Right now Mav and Delicious are selling their cars that were tracked hard for good prices, I'd go take 'em for a test drive if I was in the market.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

A. No it's direct injected known for problems with carbon build up. Running engines hard keeps deposits away, Mazda designed their engines to keep the intake parts hot to reduce buildups. "Oh D4-S has port injectors nbd!"

It's a sports car dude, an Italian tune up won't hurt it, there's enough evidence to support it being a positive thing I certainly view 'minimal redlines' as a negative.



B. Dealership shot uncalled for from me, but not as relevant to the discussion at hand given it's a high mileage car close to being out of warranty unless a warranty agreement is in play, we don't know OP's prediliction to maintenance etc.

That was a bold faced attack on my personal beliefs! Reported!
jk

C. Granny's Sunday driver is as big a risk as any other used car, don't bullshit otherwise. Nobody wants to buy Billy Bob's learning experience turbo install, but someone will. Right now Mav and Delicious are selling their cars that were tracked hard for good prices, I'd go take 'em for a test drive if I was in the market.

You can blow carbon out without having to redline all the time. I do not pamper my car but am not bouncing off the rev limiter all the time either.

I am one of the lucky ones that have a great dealer. Experiences will vary.

A properly maintained Granny's car is not at as great a risk as some others. The wear and tear of tracking on the suspension alone can warrant it. No bullshit involved it just stands to reason that the car not getting beat on will wear less. How can that be any different?

Mav and Delicious are NOT Billy Bob and deserve those good prices. Should our buddy Mike with his world record shattering 221hp be able to demand a high price? Would you even consider buying that car?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

sometimes an "auction" would also be buying it on a wholesale auction. Many times, when a dealer takes a trade-in from a customer, they turn around and sell it on the wholesale auction market.

It's why there's always a random collection of used cars at a new car dealership... half those cars were never sold to that dealer to begin with.

-alex

Every car I have ever traded in went straight to auction even though traded to the same dealer it was bought from. For some reason the dealer never wanted to keep a 5 year old 300K mile car on their lot and try to sell it.
My 03 Lancer was going on the flatbed before I even left the lot. About 3 weeks later it shows up down the street from home. The guy bought it from a used dealer in a town about 1/2 an hour away for only $800 more than the trade in I got for it so somebody didn't make much on it.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You can blow carbon out without having to redline all the time. I do not pamper my car but am not bouncing off the rev limiter all the time either.

I am one of the lucky ones that have a great dealer. Experiences will vary.

A properly maintained Granny's car is not at as great a risk as some others. The wear and tear of tracking on the suspension alone can warrant it. No bullshit involved it just stands to reason that the car not getting beat on will wear less. How can that be any different?

Mav and Delicious are NOT Billy Bob and deserve those good prices. Should our buddy Mike with his world record shattering 221hp be able to demand a high price? Would you even consider buying that car?

That's nice, but one hard pull for every 5k-10k miles is a drop in the bucket.

A properly maintained car doesn't need to ascribe a stereotype to it's owner to be desirable. It's well known that cars that sit need more work than cars that are driven as rubbers and plastics rot due to disuse.

Right, I meant cars like Mav's and Bill's, you seem to think I meant knuckleheads like billy bob or fuddy duddy joe autocross who drive it into the ground.

What's that saying about arguing and pigs covered in shit again? We're way off topic.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

That's nice, but one hard pull for every 5k-10k miles is a drop in the bucket.

A properly maintained car doesn't need to ascribe a stereotype to it's owner to be desirable. It's well known that cars that sit need more work than cars that are driven as rubbers and plastics rot due to disuse.

Right, I meant cars like Mav's and Bill's, you seem to think I meant knuckleheads like billy bob or fuddy duddy joe autocross who drive it into the ground.

What's that saying about arguing and pigs covered in shit again? We're way off topic.

Meh not arguing just exchanging viewpoints. Not an argument until my post count becomes the only speaking point for the other guy.

A hard pull does not mean red line it. Mine gets 4 a day close to but not at rev limit. That is what on ramps were invented for isn't it?

Cars that sit for decades not for 3 or 4 days a week.

"Nobody wants to buy Billy Bob's learning experience turbo install, but someone will. Right now Mav and Delicious are selling their cars that were tracked hard for good prices." This reads like you were lumping them together in some weird manner.

Still totally on topic of high mileage cars as far as I can tell. I just say high mileage but gently used is my preference over high mileage hammered around. Basically our opinions differ based upon our own personal use of the car but I think we agree on the fundamentals such as properly maintained.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Still totally on topic of high mileage cars as far as I can tell. I just say high mileage but gently used is my preference over high mileage hammered around. Basically our opinions differ based upon our own personal use of the car but I think we agree on the fundamentals such as properly maintained.

[Mattstermh]

Some asshole bought the car as I got the bank check. Probably saw this thread and ran over there.

[FR-S Future Owner]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

UMMMM did you not see the "good news" in my post above yours?
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88906

Exactly, I saw the 4 links above it and overlooked link 88906 as it was near the bottom of the post. It deserves to be listed as a DIY guide thread.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FR-S Future Owner

Exactly, I saw the 4 links above it and overlooked link 88906 as it was near the bottom of the post. It deserves to be listed as a DIY guide thread.

Agreed. Will see if we can get it moved.