Upgrading a newly leased FR-S

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JetSpeed

So, exactly HOW MUCH HP gain does a drop-in give you? Can't be much if it all. Why wouldn't Sub/Toyota add a drop-in during the factory build if it truly does gain HP?? Any real data??

Don't mean to hi-jack, just never seen any numbers.

There are whole threads of numbers. Most are between 3 to 5 HP which of course is within the variation of dyno runs. The fun fact is that most whole intake changes give about the same numbers so there is little to no advantage (other than cosmetics) to throwing on a new intake.
What you do get is more noise and since the manufacturers wants to appeal to a broad range of people not just the "cuz' racecar bro" crowd they keep it quieter. There are also legal requirements that they have to meet that the buyer does not.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by EssJay

Beyond the front pipe and cb, I might entertain a drop in filter.

Electric.. Supercharger? A plug-in snail?! LOOOL

The electric superchargers are getting rave reviews and the people with them are generally very happy. The tech has come a long way in a short time on those and they are not the joke they once were. Do not be surprised if you start to see them more often as a factory part in the near future.

[EssJay]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The electric superchargers are getting rave reviews and the people with them are generally very happy. The tech has come a long way in a short time on those and they are not the joke they once were. Do not be surprised if you start to see them more often as a factory part in the near future.

I'm sure it has. It just brought me back to those "leaf blower supercharger" videos we used to lol @ in high school.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by EssJay

Beyond the front pipe and cb, I might entertain a drop in filter. Electric.. Supercharger? A plug-in snail?! LOOOL

Originally Posted by EssJay

I'm sure it has. It just brought me back to those "leaf blower supercharger" videos we used to lol @ in high school.

As @Tcoat mentioned, times are changing. Fast. It's been noted that every major mfg has electric super/turbo chargers in the manufacturing pipeline as we speak. Volvo's 2017 twin charged XC90 will be the first to be hybrid Electric Super into Mechanical Super twin charged model. That's 450 bhp from a 2.0L 4 cylinder. An astounding 225 bhp per liter!.
http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...-is-this-thing

In the aftermarket, we are lucky to have one of the very few engineers working on an ESC integration for the 86 @Robftss . 2 years ago and for about a total of $2.5k and 2 hours to self-install (and 30 mins to uninstall). I received the 9th Phantom ESC kit for my FR-S. With only 4.5lbs of boost my engine churns out an additional 50 WHP and 80 WTQ in the torque dip than a stock 86. Here's my dyno from this summer with an off the shelf tune on a HOT and humid day. I'm certain that development this winter will show even more output.

223.4 WHP @ 7300 RPM
207.8 WTQ @ 3376 RPM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=70

In the Phantom ESC owner's thread you'll find a couple of 1/4 mi drag slips from very daily driver type cars with nothing too special added besides the Phantom ESC and the correct tune.

@Steveo585 's BRZ Phantom ESC 13.8 @ 101
@shif7i7down 's FRS Phantom ESC 14.01 @ 104

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=559

Seriously though, check out the build thread on this board for more info. With very few limitations (mostly due to Rob trying to keep the kit price in a sensibly aggressive low place), this is probably the future of F.I. both OEM and aftermarket.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=70





As not to derail this thread from its' original intent, if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them in the Phantom ESC thread (which is now at 585 pages, 9900+ posts and over 1 million views!)

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The electric superchargers are getting rave reviews and the people with them are generally very happy. The tech has come a long way in a short time on those and they are not the joke they once were. Do not be surprised if you start to see them more often as a factory part in the near future.

Hmm, wonder what would happen if you took a full electric or plug-in hybrid, swapped out the electric engine and the "generator" for a V8, then used the battery pack to charge a big supercharger on that V8?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Hmm, wonder what would happen if you took a full electric or plug-in hybrid, swapped out the electric engine and the "generator" for a V8, then used the battery pack to charge a big supercharge on that V8?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by EssJay

I'm sure it has. It just brought me back to those "leaf blower supercharger" videos we used to lol @ in high school.

LOL No not these:

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Hmm, wonder what would happen if you took a full electric or plug-in hybrid, swapped out the electric engine and the "generator" for a V8, then used the battery pack to charge a big supercharge on that V8?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL No not these:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZidyeNrh18Q"]Vishnu Tuning Electric Supercharger Fun! - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-oNENVYVs"]stock S2000 (AP1) vs FRS Boost(Phantom Electric Supercharger) Run 1 Dualview - YouTube[/ame]



[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0ftfKFEJg"]Sesame Street: One of These Things - YouTube[/ame]

[EssJay]

More IS better, right?

[FR-Sky]

I wouldn't mod it and put effort on it knowing that I will return it back one day.
Lighting is all I mod if I am leasing a car.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Theratt1

Check your contract for sure.

We're on the third page and only one person has mentioned this. What terms did you agree to? If you want to know if you're allowed to modify the vehicle, read your contract. It the lease prohibits modding, it will say so in the contract.

Originally Posted by EssJay

I've done some preliminary internet research and most leasers claim a bolt-on CB wouldn't violate terms.

The internet doesn't know what's in your contract. I suspect most of the people who posted their thoughts about that never actually read their own contracts.

Originally Posted by EssJay

However, I'm def. going to speak w the dealership b4 buying anything this weekend. I really hope they're relaxed about things because that Perrin and Berk are almost new and deeply friend discounted!

Probably only one or two people at the dealership actually know what's in your contract. A sales guy isn't going to know. A service writer isn't going to know. The business manager who handled the signing of all your paperwork may know, but he may not.

Read your contract before you ask them anything.

Originally Posted by EssJay

The engine ticks at idle.

Other people have covered this, but I'll stress that this car makes a lot of noises that are all normal. It ticks, it rattles, it scrapes, it bumps, it clanks, it rumbles.

Most of these sounds have been discussed on the forum at some point or another, so when you hear a new sound you're not expecting, do a search. The easiest way to search is NOT to use the search button on the site, but to use Google instead and restrict your search to this site using the "site:ft86club.com" tag. So you might try something like this:

site:ft86club.com engine tick

Originally Posted by EssJay

Dealership claims the spoiler would be > $1k painted & installed. JESUS. Anyone selling a halo white spoiler?

Official Trunk Trade Thread

Also, in addition to searching Ebay, you can search for smashed cars on car-part.com. You may get lucky and find a trunk with a spoiler on there.

Originally Posted by EssJay

Swapping the whole trunk sounds a bit more trouble than it's worth..

Installing the spoilers on these cars requires drilling holes in the trunk. Swapping or replacing the whole trunk requires removing and replacing a few bolts. The only real drawback is that the trunk has a VIN tag on it, so if you care about the VINs matching, they won't. But I doubt that really matters other than a sharp-eyed buyer later on might see the mismatch and assume it was in an accident.

Originally Posted by EssJay

Short ram intake. Worth it?

No. Just do the drop in filter or leave it stock. IIRC, only one company has actually been able to demonstrate any gains with an aftermarket intake, and they weren't enough to justify the cost unless you're trying to squeeze out every last ounce of power for a race application.

Originally Posted by JetSpeed

So, exactly HOW MUCH HP gain does a drop-in give you? Can't be much if it all.

Most people don't really do it for a gain in power. You do it for the difference in sound, which, when taken with your other senses, makes the car seem faster. A lot of people then delude themselves into believing they're making more power to justify it in their minds, but to me there's nothing wrong with doing a mod like this just for the cosmetic effect.

I put a whole cowl intake system on my other vehicle that pipes intake noise into the cabin in a way that is hilarious. Does it give me any difference in power? I dunno. I did it for the lulz, and it was worth every penny.

Originally Posted by EssJay

Anything you wish someone would have told you at the beginning?

Crickets are normal. Running ethanol free gas may get rid of them, but it also may not get rid of them, and when it does it's because of the difference in additive packages, NOT because of the lack of ethanol. Running Lucas fuel additive does not get rid of crickets. Replacing the high pressure fuel pump does not get rid of crickets. There is no sure cure.

The car makes a lot of other noises also. They are usually normal.

If you're sitting at idle with the clutch out and the gearbox in neutral, and you then put the car in gear, it will make a clunking sound from the rear of the vehicle. This is normal.

The coolant temperature gauge on the dash is fake. There is a 40 to 50 F range that registers with the needle in the middle "normal" position. It can swing from 180 F to 220 F without that needle moving at all.

If you monitor your actual coolant temperature with Torque or an aftermarket gauge, you will notice that the coolant temperature will stay around 190 F when you have the air conditioner on, but will shoot up as high as 220 F if you turn the air conditioner off and sit idling. This is normal.

If you take a drink every time you see "this is normal" on this board, you'll have a helluva drinking game that will likely put you in the hospital.

You should read the "Hidden Features" thread for more interesting normal shit about this car:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63261

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Installing the spoilers on these cars requires drilling holes in the trunk. Swapping or replacing the whole trunk requires removing and replacing a few bolts. The only real drawback is that the trunk has a VIN tag on it, so if you care about the VINs matching, they won't. But I doubt that really matters other than a sharp-eyed buyer later on might see the mismatch and assume it was in an accident.

And the key cylinder, and some wiring and the release module (why it is programed at the trunk I do not know). Still not horrid but more than a few bolts.


The rest you said 100% agree.

[Demandred7]

Simple to bolt on and take off later with an immediately noticeable improvement in handling and feel is a strut tower brace. I personally went with Grimmspeed, but, obviously not the only choice out there.