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05-14-2019, 09:44 PM | #29 | |
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So to backtrack a bit on the JDL 4-2-1 header from a purchasing decision and onward from there: When I bought this car, my original plan was to eventually upgrade the header to try to eliminate the torque dip when I could justify it and was comfortable with foregoing some warranty. I was after the highest possible gains, and I'm not a fan of the UEL sound on the Toyobaru twins (with classic WRXes it's a different story), so naturally that lead me to the ACE A350. However, in Canada, where the weaker Canadian dollar, shipping fees and taxes/duties are the enemy, the ACE A350 was really cost prohibitive compared to other, more common options. When JDL released their 4-2-1 EL header, I was definitely intrigued given their reputation of offering very high quality parts that provide some of the best gains in their class at very reasonable prices. I was hoping that the 4-2-1 EL header would be more similar in price (in Canada) to their UEL or 4-1 EL offering compared to the ACE, and I was not disappointed. Compared to the ACE A350 (non-coated) and a Delicious Tuning remote ECUTek tune, it cost me over $1000 less to get the JDL 4-2-1 (w/ full cerakoting) and a custom dyno tune with OnPoint Dyno. Sasha said that it’s one of the highest HP NA BRZ’s he’s ever had. Car pulls strong right to redline and the torque dip is all but gone. These numbers are with the stock intake, stock overpipe and stock front pipe still in place. For reference, this dyno is a bit of a heartbreaker... stock BRZ’s typically make anywhere from 140 to 155hp on this dyno. For more reference a 2014 FRS with a catless JDL UEL header made 166whp on the same dyno. Do I think that the Ace A350 could have provided even bigger gains? A little bit more most likely, but I don't know for sure at this point, at least without seeing the results back to back on the same dyno. Also, for the extra cost, would it have been worth it? I personally don't think so based on my experience. Beyond the comparisons, how does the car feel? Well, the car feels completely transformed. I was never one to complain about the power of the Toyobaru twins, but the extra power along with the linearity of the power band without the dip is truly, truly life changing; the car feels so much faster now. If you have a BRZ/86 and have been on the fence about doing this, do it. You won’t regret it. And now, sound clips! Here's a quick rev I had my buddy record with my iPhone 6S while washing the cars. I also compiled some driving clips as well. Shot with my Nikon D3300 and Nikkor 35mm f1.8 lens, on a mount no where near stable enough. Car was mic’d up with a cheap amazon lavalier mic placed on the bumper about 8" above the exhaust tips. In-car DSLR mounting solution will need to get better to curb the shakies, but the audio from that mic on the rear bumper? Ace (heh). UPDATED with some better video:
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05-14-2019, 10:08 PM | #30 | |
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I was just going to get the FT86SF catted UEL header for the sound and the smell control but now I’m super conflicted. Are you happy with the sound?
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05-14-2019, 10:18 PM | #31 | |
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There is however definitely more volume on throttle with the JDL header compared to the stock unit, which isn't a bad thing. I personally love the smooth sound that the 4-2-1 EL header brings compared to the stock headers' not quite EL, not quite UEL sound signature. If you prefer UEL (which a lot of people do), well as long as you keep your front pipe in place like I did, I don't think you'll have a hard time going with a catless UEL with solid gains like the JDL or Tomei/Gruppe-S etc. It's all preference at that point.
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05-14-2019, 10:37 PM | #32 | |
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Did you get it cerakoted locally or did it come that way from JDL?
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05-14-2019, 10:51 PM | #33 | |
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No problem, someone had to do it! The Cerakote was done by JDL when I ordered the header. It’s an optional extra when you order, but definitely recommended for heat management and to keep the finish on the header looking nice.
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05-14-2019, 11:03 PM | #34 | |
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Since you ordered directly from JDL, how much was shipping and did they ship through USPS or Fedex/UPS? Any duties? Are they friendly about declaring creative values on the customs form?
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05-14-2019, 11:27 PM | #35 | |
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I actually ordered through AlphaMotorsports, I’ll pm you more info.
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That green is amazing! I just picked up a Silver 2017 BRZ Limited with Performance Package a couple weekends ago. I love the car, but the silver is so boring compared to this!
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05-15-2020, 10:27 AM | #37 |
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Another year, another update!
I researched the FT86 platform extensively and planned mods for years in university (lots of daydreaming) before actually buying a BRZ once I graduated. It feels great to almost be at the finish line of my original vision. Big upgrades to the car this year. First thing was a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4Ses in the factory size to replace my OEM Primacy HPs. What a huge improvement of grip in all aspects. I can actually put the extra power of that header down properly without spinning through 1st and even a bit of second in the dry, which is laughable for an NA car. Cornering grip I haven't really been able to compare on the street since no tracks are open yet, but I haven't hit the limit of the PS4S yet, thats for sure. Also, they ride better and are quieter on the highway than the OEM tires, so win win? I also finally got a set of Tein Flex Z's over the winter for a song and installed them on the car a couple of weeks back. To go with the coilover upgrade, I also installed a set of UltraPower LCA's (RockAuto's SPC equivalent, basically the same thing for less than 1/3'd the cost) and a set of H&R DRS 15mm spacers that come with extended wheel studs to push those Gram Lights out a bit, while still being safe for track use vs. bolt on spacers, which I honestly don't trust. The car drives absolutely awesome. Had it aligned and corner balanced by the guys at XIIIMotorsports and the car feels dialed in. Insane amounts of grip and really great balance. The Teins ride really well as well. They're quiet like the factory suspension with no weird clunks or noises even with the pillowball mounts. Due to the higher spring rate than factory, you do feel a bit more of the dots in the road (asphalt joints, etc) but it never upsets the car or feels jarring - it's actually nice to have that extra road feel through the steering wheel. However, over larger shocks and bumps I actually feel the Teins absorb them better than stock at 7 clicks from full stiff, while still cornering flatter. Keep in mind the OEM 2017 suspension rides pretty well as it is, leagues ahead of my girlfriend's 2015 WRX. I'm running CSG Mike's recommended settings of 5 clicks for a sporty street setting, and it feels perfect. I'll have more impressions once I get them on a windy road/track which will hopefully be soon, but for now, I am completely impressed.
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05-15-2020, 10:39 AM | #38 |
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As a bonus, here's a full mod list is below for those who are curious (in order), along with some notes on what was planned and what wasn't.
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What's left to install?
Any items left on my list? Basically, pads and fluid for HPDE/Lapping whenever the tracks open up again and that's it!
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I appreciate your exhaust videos on YouTube.
I'm debating the JDL EL Header. What % of volume increase do you think the Header accounted for? From my research the R400 is pretty loud by itself, but your combo didn't come across as loud in the videos. |
05-16-2020, 09:26 AM | #40 | |
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When cruising around in light throttle, maybe a 5-10% increase? Minor enough that it’s reasonable on the highway with minimal drone. The real difference is in heavy throttle application. I’d say close to a 30% increase in volume at WOT. I’ll try to take some interior video soon so you can her what it’s like inside the car.
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05-29-2020, 11:25 AM | #41 |
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Finally got around to installing that front lip! Really ties the look of the car together.
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I read that and then your mod list and felt sad. I mean congrats on the numbers, but if that is all it takes to be one of the highest NA FA20s then that is sad for us. I guess everyone just goes for forced induction these days.
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