Motor Trend First Drive Review: 2013 Subaru BRZ

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by DuMa

found this

its for the GT86 but BRZ might as well be sporting these 16s if its true for the premium.

6.5" wide steelies? Those will be great for snows.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by DuMa

found this

its for the GT86 but BRZ might as well be sporting these 16s if its true for the premium.

According to MT they will, however, the FR-S does not.. pay more.. and get crappy all seasons on steelies? Again, Subaru just isn't that stupid

It will have the 17 alloys for the premium, I can't see them doing anything LESS than the cheaper FR-S.

[madfast]

Regarding the Stability control, what do you guys think the difference is between pressing the VSC OFF once and VSC Sport? which mode allows more slip? i know in my car, and probably others, if you press VSC OFF once, it turns off the throttle cut portion of VSC. if you hold down VSC OFF for 3 sec then it turns off the braking portion of VSC too, thus turning off VSC completely. is that the case here? so then does that mean VSC sport leaves on both throttle cut VSC and braking VSC, and just raises the limit?

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by madfast

Regarding the Stability control, what do you guys think the difference is between pressing the VSC OFF once and VSC Sport? which mode allows more slip? i know in my car, and probably others, if you press VSC OFF once, it turns off the throttle cut portion of VSC. if you hold down VSC OFF for 3 sec then it turns off the braking portion of VSC too, thus turning off VSC completely. is that the case here? so then does that mean VSC sport leaves on both throttle cut VSC and braking VSC, and just raises the limit?

VSC OFF will allow more slip. It will allow all the slip you could possibly want. Including spinning into the weeds. VSC Sport raises the threshold and severity of intervention. I'm not sure how it will do it on this specific system, but the result will be later intervention when you have the car sideways.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

VSC OFF will allow more slip. It will allow all the slip you could possibly want. Including spinning into the weeds. VSC Sport raises the threshold and severity of intervention. I'm not sure how it will do it on this specific system, but the result will be later intervention when you have the car sideways.

yeah but there is VSC OFF and VSC OFF OFF (hold button down 3 sec). so im guessing it goes Normal > VSC SPORT > VSC OFF > VSC OFF OFF

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Left button for Traction Control. Press it once and it'll let you spin the tires a bit but still try to keep you in a straight line. Hold it down and it'll step aside and let you try to kill yourself. Right button is for VSC Sport, which is, if I'm not mistaken, supposed to make you faster than your talent by letting you get the back of the car out more than normal.

See this part of the MT review:

Originally Posted by Motor Trend

Traction and stability control algorithms are governed by three buttons mounted just behind the shifter in 6AT-equipped BRZs. (Manuals lose the center Sport/Snow button.) With one touch, the left button partial turns off stability control; when held down for 3 seconds, it turns off completely. As you'd expect, the latter is a must for wannabe drifters.

Punching the rightmost button engages Sport VSC mode. This activates a combination of stability/sport indicator lights on the gauge cluster and lets you hang the car's tail out a touch, via steering angle, yaw rate, and lateral G sensors that forecast the vehicle's position. If that future looks too sideways, brake and throttle cut precautions engage. In practice, it's the best mode for spirited road courses like the SKC handling track. This twisty second/third-gear course had several tight low-speed turns and a couple of nasty mid-corner bumps that conspired to unsettle the BRZ. Sport VSC caught it every time, with a more progressive engagement of stability control over the normal mode.

Problem is it doesn't specify exactly what "partially turns off stability control" means... either way I'll have it off completely for track and autocross use, and on for the street as I don't drive agressively enough to engage it anyways and I really don't mind the nanny if something unexpectedly bad happens on the street.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Problem is it doesn't specify exactly what "partially turns off stability control" means...

this is what i mean. its not clear. is there a practical difference between "partially" turning it off and raising the limit?

my assumption is that VSC SPORT is less aggressive than VSC OFF but no review has mentioned much of what the difference is. they all say they "turn off" the VSC, but is that VSC OFF or press and hold 3 sec VSC OFF. they make no distinction...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by madfast

this is what i mean. its not clear. is there a practical difference between "partially" turning it off and raising the limit?

my assumption is that VSC SPORT is less aggressive than VSC OFF but no review has mentioned much of what the difference is. they all say they "turn off" the VSC, but is that VSC OFF or press and hold 3 sec VSC OFF. they make no distinction...

It may just allow burnouts or something, who knows. The VSC Sport uses all the sensors and changes the point at which it engages. I'm guessing the partial just removes one sensor from the mix.. but no idea.

[DuMa]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

According to MT they will, however, the FR-S does not.. pay more.. and get crappy all seasons on steelies? Again, Subaru just isn't that stupid

It will have the 17 alloys for the premium, I can't see them doing anything LESS than the cheaper FR-S.

dont know why i havent seen pics of these wheels but they were shown in the parade run

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they appear to be 16s. if they are, i think they look better than the 17s. strictly in design though.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by DuMa

dont know why i havent seen pics of these wheels but they were shown in the parade run

they appear to be 16s. if they are, i think they look better than the 17s. strictly in design though.

The low spec was supposed to have 16" alloys, only the customize grade got the 16" steel wheels so I wouldn't be surprised by 16s in that video.

Scion said their car will get the 17" alloys though so I really can't see the more expensive Subaru not getting the 17" alloys, even at the most base version of the car.

[Zaku]

If you look carefully those 86 are pretty much FRS, they don't have the GT86 lights and they have the smaller wheels, only diff is that they are RHD. Basically this is there base and that's the FRS we're getting with our own ... Unique interior XD

[nrclptcnsmniak]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The fronts will NOT be solid. As for brake differences this is the first time we have heard of front brake differences (and IMO it's incorrect) so most likely both versions will have the same. Fr-s will also be the same. You'd care about the vents when your brakes overheat though

wait so im going to assume now that vented is not the same as slotted and or drilled? whats vented exactly then?

[Quantum]

You guys are getting worked up over a typo. Obviously it doesn't come with 15/16" brake rotors. That's why I posted the LINK and said I corrected Motor Trend's typo.

Not sure who added to my original post, but they quoted the older/incorrect version of the article.

Cheers,
Hong

[nrclptcnsmniak]

haha yeah got it thanks ^_^ I misunderstood. :P