Drift-Office : Phantom Supercharger - Tuned!

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Razz

Very good gains. Easy install. If price is right, very good kit.

A very good HP to weight Ratio.

I've seen a few RX8's with 205 to 220 without boost.

This kit would put it in line with one of those down the straight.

It is too bad RX-8's are so slow. Hoping Mazda doesn't fail on the next rotary...

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

It is too bad RX-8's are so slow. Hoping Mazda doesn't fail on the next rotary...

and the FRS and BRZ are not??

[fenton]

Originally Posted by raven1231

and the FRS and BRZ are not??

Lets not get to far off topic here but FRS and BRZ are better than the RX8 in terms of speed. RX8's weigh over 3000 and generally make 170-190, at least the frs only weighs 2700.

Owned both. Rx8 is nicer inside and I like the rear door

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

Of course they will, but they need to be properly designed for the FI system. You can't bolt on a set of headers designed for an NA vehicle and expect the car to show improvement.

Okay, so who now currently makes proper headers for FI setups specifically? And are these the headers that are currently accessible that everyone is thinking of to putting on and expecting to make more power?

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

From the evidence posted by FA20club... their header works beautifully with the vortech supercharger at least. One would hope that that header would work good with other types of Superchargers!

So if what MLC says is true, then does that mean the FA20 club header isn't a good match for NA setups? Not starting anything, just saying...

Regards,


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by fenton

Lets not get to far off topic here but FRS and BRZ are better than the RX8 in terms of speed. RX8's weigh over 3000 and generally make 170-190, at least the frs only weighs 2700.

Owned both. Rx8 is nicer inside and I like the rear door

Trust me I wasn't saying it's an amazing car just didn't think we should be bashing it for lacking power. It's not that far off from the FRS or BRZ.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

Okay, so who now currently makes proper headers for FI setups specifically? And are these the headers that are currently accessible that everyone is thinking of to putting on and expecting to make more power?



So if what MLC says is true, then does that mean the FA20 club header isn't a good match for NA setups? Not starting anything, just saying...

Regards,


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Isn't everything just speculation until it's tested? I guess what I'm saying is we won't know until someone tries it.

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

So if what MLC says is true, then does that mean the FA20 club header isn't a good match for NA setups? Not starting anything, just saying...

Regards,
Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Sometimes you get lucky and a product covers a broader spectrum of applications than you might normally expect.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

Sometimes you get lucky and a product covers a broader spectrum of applications than you might normally expect.

Yes that could very well be true, but how different can said product be compared to the rest of the offerings? Not sure...

Anyway, when I get back later tonight, I'll post up in a separate thread and we can all discuss it there. We should convolute this one unnecessarily.

Regards!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Element Tuning]

I like the concept but I would love, if even only as an exhibition of what is possible, higher capacity batteries and a bigger motor.

Was the drop in HP gains at high rpm a result of voltage drop and therefore less compressor flow?

Thanks,
Phil Grabow

[Fast_Freddy]

It sounds like this little ESC is more for short 0-60 bursts than 1/4 mile and that is very weak sauce indeed. How long can this ESC maintain max boost at WOT? 0-60? 0-100? Burnout and 1/4 mile pass?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

It sounds like this little ESC is more for short 0-60 bursts than 1/4 mile and that is very weak sauce indeed. How long can this ESC maintain max boost at WOT? 0-60? 0-100? Burnout and 1/4 mile pass?

Kind a redundant post of mine, but what the heck... I don't think the ESC was intended for drag or drift, but for AutoX and Tracking it's far from "weak sauce". Quite the opposite the ESC seems quite effective. @Thatruth2001 's 30 minute test track sessions @ PIR.

"Session 3 (Pulling It Together -Look At that Hot Orange Plastic dip FRS at the start, Digital Assassin ) - ESC Activated / Traction Control VSC / Damp To Dry / Koni Suspension Setting medium hard / 2/3 Tank of Gas at Start.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT7kx2r-sx0"]PIR Track Day Session 3 - YouTube[/ame]

Session 4 (The Hot Shit) - ESC Activated / Traction Control VSC / Dry / Koni Suspension Setting medium hard / Full Tank of Gas at Start.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km7vSeTbJLY"]PIR Track Day Seesion 4 - YouTube[/ame] "

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

It sounds like this little ESC is more for short 0-60 bursts than 1/4 mile and that is very weak sauce indeed. How long can this ESC maintain max boost at WOT? 0-60? 0-100? Burnout and 1/4 mile pass?

I dunno about weak sauce, from what I've seen so far the dual charger setup would easily handle runs at the drag strip. I think the most demanding situation would be 10/10ths on a fast circuit, I think there Gould eventually exhaust the system, but as thattruth has shown the system performed very well on a track driven at a moderately quick pace.

[wbradley]

Very interesting watching things develope with this system.

So for now we essentially have NOS system performance, self recharging but without the cooling effect of atomization.

The challenge is to find a most efficient motor and energy storage design to evolve this into a system for more than WOT runs. Bigger capacity energy storage, lower consumption motor.

I wonder what Subaru has done so far with their alleged electric turbo development.

Ultimately the challenge might be how to have a battery or capacitor that can stay charged most of the time. Toyota would probably include energy recgenerating brakes too, like a hybrid. I hope a big company eventually gets behind this idea.

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by Element Tuning

I like the concept but I would love, if even only as an exhibition of what is possible, higher capacity batteries and a bigger motor.

Was the drop in HP gains at high rpm a result of voltage drop and therefore less compressor flow?

Pretty sure the drop is due to the fact that in this application the compressor is always running full out. At low rpm it moves plenty of air to make decent boost. As the revs climb the amount of air needed increases, but the compressor is still moving the same amount of air, so lower boost pressure. Lower boost pressure, lower gain.