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02-15-2023, 03:03 PM | #29 |
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No direct but in-direct with ppl I knew. Maybe cause I am just getting older, but I would not want to daily them. Gas Mileage and comfort with modern safety features are not great with either.
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Speaking of safety features, the GRC comes standard with all the fancy safety claptrap. Radar cruise, lane keep assist, pre-collision braking, blind spot monitor etc. I've never cared for any of it but now that I've got it and coexist just fine with it, I appreciate it. My wife will be driving the car a lot with the kids in it, so it's a big plus for that.
Without breaking out into a review, I can't imagine anyone coming from an STI or EVO being disappointed in the feel of the car or the performance. Despite being stiffer and sharper it is surprisingly way more refined feeling vs. my stock 15 WRX. Much more enjoyable to drive as a daily. It's hard to imagine then, how different it would be vs. EVO and STI. My seat time in both over the years was limited. So if you want a car that's so 'because racecar' that it's hard to live with this won't be it. When you want to rip though, it rips. It's very clear that every dollar they put into it was to make it a good car to go fast in. Super easy to drive. |
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I don't know how old you are, but like I said in my prior post, I'll be 40 this year, so while I'm not old, I don't consider myself part of the younger crowd anymore, so I do look at it from a different perspective than when I was half my age and both the Evo and STI were months from their US debut and the background of my computer screen as a college student. It's definitely not a "great" daily driver, but it's still an easy daily driver, in my opinion. The stock suspension is fine, it has plenty of interior space and a big trunk, and if you can control yourself, the mileage is decent. City driving is going to be mediocre at probably 19-20 mpg, but highway will be closer to 25, give or take. I managed to hit 31.89 and 32.24 mpg on successive weekends -- both of which were my personal bests, but clearly not indicative of "normal" highway fuel economy. You can see my Fuelly account (though I stopped updating it a few years back): https://www.fuelly.com/car/mitsubish...uuuts83/213105 So that's the perspective from an Evo IX owner. The Evo X is more livable, in the sense that it's a little more comfortable, flatter torque curve, better interior amenities and more modern safety features, though its trunk is smaller due to the battery being moved there, though there's still a decent amount of space. And then of course the STI is even more comfortable than the Evo, just at the cost of handling, as it's almost universally been second place from a performance perspective. That's not to take away from it as a car, it's still a great option that just has some trade-offs, but it might be the perfect car for a lot of people. Just maybe not for people who want to go to the track. The ones that did get modified, particularly with aftermarket springs or coilovers, are going to be the ones that aren't comfortable to drive. But stock or near stock is going to be fine, in my opinion. Again, not trying to come off as biased, but I just wanted to give that personal insight. |
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I'm curious though about how cars like the GR Corolla and even the Civic Type R drive. I don't doubt that they're quick, but the real question is how does it feel from the driver's seat. |
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GRC: feels a bit sterile and dull, super dialed though. Then you push it and CTR: same, but feels less sterile and dull when driven normally, interior makes it more exciting to be in |
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I have hundreds of thousands of kilometers in STi's. (A 2006 sedan, 2011 hatch and a 2016 sedan.) We were the first registered owners for all three. The two sedans delivered a great driving experience stock right out of the box. The Hatchback would have cost us thousands $ to make it as good as either of the sedans. Shame too as I really liked the added space and available rally car inspired add-ons. |
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I know the Focus RS had a head gasket recall, but haven't heard anything other than that. That could be the issue the dealership you mentioned referenced. However, I don't care enough to look up more than that. If the guy asking the question wants to consider them, great. If not, okey dokey. |
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Basically the new Civic Type R is the more dialed-in driver’s car…it’s more precise and visceral but only by a margin. This refers to steering, handling, shifting, and engine response. You have to exploit that small difference by driving the car harder. Around town, they feel equally good and driver-oriented.
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I originally posted this in the GRC groups so had to modify it a little to neutralize perspective
FL5 dashboard is lower and shorter (distance relative to windshield) than the GRC, which are favorable traits in a driver-oriented car. The driving position & seat height to the dashboard is perfect—very driver-oriented. The seats are super-bolstered and way more aggressive than the GRC’s. The GRC has a high dashboard and you feel like you are placed inside the car rather than it feeling cockpit-like. Seating position is high. But it’s still a good distance from pedals. Driving FL5 feels precise and dialed-in. Steering weight in +R felt similar to the GRC in Normal mode—light and briefly numb off-center before the wheels respond. GRC in Sport mode feels heavier off-center. Both have very progressive steering feel (sharper or more load in the turn the more feel) In general you get more feedback & weight in the FL5 (+R mode). The turn-in is sharp and you can feel the lower center of gravity in the FL5. Powering through a turn with throttle feels so good, like threading a needle. The GRC isn’t too far behind in terms of steering response, and I think the GRC will respond particularly well in tighter turns because of the shorter wheelbase. The K20C1 engine is responsive and refined. It revs with a nice linear and responsive feel. The revs dropped immediately during a gear change—a similar trait with the G16. Turbo lag isn’t as evident compared to the G16 though. I only shifted at 4K, but as a passenger, the owner took it to redline and it had a very strong pull. Apparently it has some torque steer compared to previous Gen. But it’s not detrimental…in fact it probably gives the car more character lol. The FL5’s shifter has very short throws and is precise, smooth, and quick (aka slick). You don’t feel as much “thump” compared to the GRC’s shifter, which is a little more mechanical as a result of the thump and notchiness (hello Lotus Evora). Clutch uptake in the FL5 is good and the bite is low but not as easy or apparent to get out of first in the GRC which has that feature where it adds like 200 rpm for you. The ride in +R mode was quite similar to the GRC’s suspension setup. I wouldn’t say it was significantly harsher. Just a tad firmer. I was telling my neighbor that I could probably tolerate +R mode for a lengthy period. FL5 is a little quieter at low RPM’s than the GRC but the FL5 also has piped-in audio which helps keep the engine sound-feedback consistent. The turbo noises are louder in the GRC though especially the whoosh when coming off the throttle. Also the GRC idles louder. The bass-heavy exhaust at low RPM’s is notably louder inside too. Some obvious stuff to consider…the FL5 also has more trunk space, more rear leg room, and an arm rest. It feels substantially bigger on the road especially because you see a much bigger hood looking out and it’s wider. I really like both cars and really admire the engineering of the FL5 and Type R’s in general. I wish I could have both! By definition, the FL5 is the more dialed-in, driver-oriented car. But the GRC isn’t far behind at all. I’d say the GRC is about 87-92% as driver-oriented compared to the FL5, and most of the difference would be at higher-performance driving. The FL5 delivers the experience with some finesse and gives you a well-positioned dashboard and seat. On the other hand, I find the GRC more immersive since it is a little louder around town and has the louder turbo noises and beefy gearbox. What I get from both cars though is the desire to drive them more. And both give me the desire to drive them on a track or twisties. So they both succeeded in that regard.
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Civic is FWD, so meh..
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I've had my 2018 STI since Oct 2017, and it will just reach 50K kms (36K miles) shortly. It's primarily a winter car so even the original tires aren't worn. It sits on the driveway, seldom moved most of the time.
Regards to reliability, knock on wood, zero problems. Downside: I'm averaging 12L/100km. My 2015 WRX averaged 9.9 L/100 km Also, it requires 91 fuel. I'd say it's a pretty heavy gas burner using over double what my wife's Prius used to burn with regular fuel at around 5.6 L/100 km. So if you find yourself commuting 50 miles per day, jt will add up. The plusses: insane resale value (maybe not a plus for you now though) The front and rear LSD put it in an entirely different and handling class compared to a WRX. I've had two of them. Also, the transmission is bulletproof and the centre adjustment is unique, though I don't use it personally. And Brembos, don't need to sell you on them. As a gauge, how much do you like it in stock form? If it needs a tons of changes up front, don't buy it. Try to find a car.that you already like everything about as-is, stock. There, I went and said it.
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