Should I go AT or MT?

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by guybo

Learn it right, right from the start. Heel n toe shifting is not a track only method of shifting. It has nothing to do with shifting fast or for speed. It's the right way to shift to be easy on your trans. I do it every down shift if I am going for groceries or having fun. It's just the right way to shift and it is in no way unsafe. I'm not sure what you're smoking @Tcoat- you don't get what I said at all.

I don't know if MT or AT is faster. I don't care. MT takes a certain amount of skill and you have a lot more control over your car and a real connection that the AT doesn't have. It's in the clutch.

I'm not saying double clutch shift either.

I think heel toe is fairly advanced for someone just learning to drive MT. It's even considered advanced for "normal" people that have been driving MT for years. One can easily screw up and slip off the brake if they aren't experienced.
Not sure if it was implied, but they should learn to rev match before learning heel toe as well.

[Somerandom18]

My feet don't agree with heel toe..

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by topcabron

please enlighten me

If you know how to drive a mt (granted the population is less every year),and proper maintenance, You have little clutch wear, gear wear.

With an automatic, you have more shifts, more wear, more maintenance, and more moving parts. More opportunity for negative issues.

1. The AT on this one is MUCH tougher than the MT
2. This MT is less idiot proof than other also not idiot proof MTs
3. This clutch and the operating mechanism has known weaknesses.

I speak from firsthand experience.

[WWFT86]

Worthwhile read:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6485

In the end you'll have to drive it and live with it. So why not test drive both in the traffic conditions most reflective of your driving pattern, then pick the one that worked for you.

For me, I can say the AT is no slouch especially in AT's manual mode.

Originally Posted by TJBarnes

First of all, I'm sorry for the extremely vague question, know you get tired of it.

I'm planning on buying a sporty car soon, and the twins are on the top of my list. The problem is I have never done a manual before and this would be my 100% daily driver for at least 3 years.

Is the automatic still as fan to drive as the MT on this car? Will it make it dramatically more slow when hammering on the gas?

Should I take advantage of the car to learn to drive a stick? I do have to drive a decent amount of traffic on the way home everyday.

Any insight from those who tried both is greatly appreciated. Thank you beforehand.

[topcabron]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

1. The AT on this one is MUCH tougher than the MT
2. This MT is less idiot proof than other also not idiot proof MTs
3. This clutch and the operating mechanism has known weaknesses.

I speak from firsthand experience.

gotcha

thank you

I come from an auto world where either there was no option, or the mt was much better, without all the electronic bullshit

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by guybo

Learn it right, right from the start. Heel n toe shifting is not a track only method of shifting. It has nothing to do with shifting fast or for speed. It's the right way to shift to be easy on your trans. I do it every down shift if I am going for groceries or having fun. It's just the right way to shift and it is in no way unsafe. I'm not sure what you're smoking @Tcoat- you don't get what I said at all.

I don't know if MT or AT is faster. I don't care. MT takes a certain amount of skill and you have a lot more control over your car and a real connection that the AT doesn't have. It's in the clutch.

I'm not saying double clutch shift either.

It is not the "right way to shift" for normal street driving and sure as hell not "better" for your transmission if doing it all your downshifts. It is a performance driving technique for maintaining speed through the corners and it is gross overkill to use it for every down shift.

Wondered how long before the whole "skill" and "connection" clichés would get thrown out there since they are pretty much the go to statements for the MT elitists. If you need a third pedal to have fun driving you are doing something wrong.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WWFT86

Worthwhile read:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6485

In the end you'll have to drive it and live with it. So why not test drive both in the traffic conditions most reflective of your driving pattern, then pick the one that worked for you.

For me, I can say the AT is no slouch especially in AT's manual mode.

Most intelligent statement so far!

[serialk11r]

Heel and toe is not really useful for the street...when are you going to be slamming the brake pedal in preparation for a corner? If you're barely depressing the brake pedal your heel has to go a lot further to blip the throttle. For my feet at least, it's extremely uncomfortable unless the brake is mashed very far down.

The easiest thing on your transmission is a rev matched double clutch shift, which I find fun to do. That said, out of all M/T drivers, the vast majority don't rev match, and out of the people who do rev match, the vast majority don't know how to double clutch.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Most intelligent statement so far!

OP can't because he doesn't know stick.

Only OP knows whether or not MT is part of the sports car dream. If he doesn't try it, he'll never know.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

OP can't because he doesn't know stick.

Only OP knows whether or not MT is part of the sports car dream. If he doesn't try it, he'll never know.

At no point did I say he should not try it. In fact I OPENED with it is a great car to learn MT on. WWF's statement was to try both and that can still be done. OP doesn't need to know double clutching and heel toe or any other advanced method to try it. Sure they will jerk around and stall a few times but it is as good a time to try as any. I taught my 13 year old grandson how to do it in 15 minutes and he grasped it so a grown adult should be able to. They just need to put all the "you need to drive MT like it is anime" bullshit aside and learn how to stop, start and change gears.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

At no point did I say he should not try it. In fact I OPENED with it is a great car to learn MT on. WWF's statement was to try both and that can still be done. OP doesn't need to know double clutching and heel toe or any other advanced method to try it. Sure they will jerk around and stall a few times but it is as good a time to try as any. I taught my 13 year old grandson how to do it in 15 minutes and he grasped it so a grown adult should be able to. They just need to put all the "you need to drive MT like it is anime" bullshit aside and learn how to stop, start and change gears.

Oh, oops. I didn't mean to imply you discouraged it.

What I mean is it's not an intelligent statement to suggest he "test drive" both. He can't. He can only decide to buy and learn how to drive MT with it.

...which is what I suggest he seriously consider.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Oh, oops. I didn't mean to imply you discouraged it.

What I mean is it's not an intelligent statement to suggest he "test drive" both. He can't. He can only decide to buy and learn how to drive MT with it.

...which is what I suggest he seriously consider.

Everybody should learn to drive MT and if looking at sporty cars own at least one MT one in their life. There are also other options for learning MT before actually buying one. Don't know about anyplace else but around here you can get a MT driving lesson from a pro for about $50. My impatience comes with the whole "AT sucks and anybody that buys one will be sorry" attitude that prevails here. There are many many very happy AT owners and it is a totally viable option. People here tend to talk like they are driving their cars balls out 100% of the time when the fact of the matter is if they are driving around a city or doing long highway runs the opportunities to use the advantages of the MT can be rare.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by WWFT86

Worthwhile read:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6485

In the end you'll have to drive it and live with it. So why not test drive both in the traffic conditions most reflective of your driving pattern, then pick the one that worked for you.

For me, I can say the AT is no slouch especially in AT's manual mode.

^this.

Moto's link is very good. And it is true, the only opinion that matters in the end is your own OP. Try driving another friends manual first to get a feel and test drive both. Learning MT is great but you can have just as much fun in an AT equipped car basically

[soulreapersteve]

Its been a while since we've had one of these.

Obligatory late popcorn.